A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Tani, qe lufta mbaroi, regjimi i Sadam Huseinit u rrezua- dhe ne kohen qe armet e shkaterrimit ne mase bashke me bazat e Al-kaides, nuk u gjeten; a ka me ndonje arsye, pse amerikanet te qendrojne ne Irak. Amerikanet duket se dolen bllof me akuzat e tyre mbi armet e shkaterrimit ne mase. Nese vertet do kishin ekzistuar, atehere me siguri qe udheheqsia e paskrupullt irakene do i kish perdorur gjate luftimeve, por nje gje e tille nuk ndodhi, pra nje prove e qarte, se arme te tilla ishin vetem ne koken e amerikaneve.

Nje shije shume te keqe, amerikanet lane sidomos ne ditet e para te hyrjes pa lufte ne Bagdat. U lejuan trazira, u shkaterrun nga bastisjet shume institucione dhe me e keqja shume monumente te kultures se vjeter vendase, e cila eshte njekohesisht djepi i qyteterimit boteror, u vodhen, ndersa amerikanet sapo hyne ne qytet te paren gje qe bene, qe sigurimi i ministrise irakene te naftes. Nje prove e qarte kjo! Ditet e fundit ka pasur protesta ne rruget e Bagdatit nga populli iraken. Dje kane dale ne rruge 10 mije banore te kryeqytetit iraken, per te protestuar kunder atyre qe ata i quajne "pushtues amerikane", ndersa sot vendet fqinje te Irakut kane kerkuar largimin e menjehershem te trupave amerikane. A kane te drejte legjitime te qendrojne ende aty amerikanet?!
 

une_une

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Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Fillimisht postuar nga Shadow of Self:
[qb] Jo nuk kane te drejte Amerikanet te qendrojne ne Irak

Mos harroni se ishte mergata (opozita) Irakene qe do vihet ne pushtet sot, ata qe kerkuan te paret qe Amerika te sulmonte Irakun. Po ata nuk jane Irakene? Ata jane me shume Irakene perderisa shume nga ata jane perndjekur, i kane vrare te afermit etj.

Eshte deshira e tyre qe kerkojne qe Amerikanet te qendrojne ne Irak.

Ata ndjejne shume rezikun e rivendosjes se Baath party perseri ne pushtet. Garanci per kete ata kane Amerikanet prandaj duan Amerikanet te qendrojne 1-2 vjet ne Irak.

Ata duan, atyre qe jane pushkatuar te afermit nga Baath party members. Nuk do BinLaden bashke me Neo, nuk duan arabet perqark ne shtete sikur Neos dhe BinLaden i dhimbset me shume Iraku se sa ata.

Perpara se Iraku te lahej me gjakun e ushtaret irakene, me gjakun e Sadamit dhe te tjereve eshte lare me gjakun e te aferme te mergates Irakene ne fillim. Keta kane te drejte te kerkojne ate qe ata mendojne vete dhe jo cfare mendon Neo dhe Arabet.

Ata duan sipas Chalabi dhe te tjere nga mergata qe amerikanet te i ndihmojne te qeverisin Irakun. Dikur nje kundershtim i drejte i tyre i kushtonte atyre jeten dhe te aferme te tyre. Sot ngrihet Neo dhe te tjere te i mesojne atyre qe jane gjakosur nga Baath (keta mezi sa po presin te ikin amerikanet te marrin pushtetin) se si te veprojne

Ajo qe ka per te u bere eshte cfare mendojne vete keta irakene. Ata miq nuk kane Neon dhe disa te tjere. Miq ata kane ata qe i ndihmuan dhe me te cilet po bashkepunojne: Amerikanet.

Prandaj te tjeret te mbyllin gojen sepse ata e kane fjalen e fundit. [/qb]
lexojeni perseri kush kerkon, kush kundershton, kush ka te drejte dhe kush ka me shume te drejte se kushdo.
 

olti

Neo
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Wolfowitz deklaroi para disa javesh se ne (amerikanet) nuk kemi deklaruar ndonjehere se qellimi kryesor i luftes kunder Irakut, eshte shkaterrimi i armeve te rrezikshme irakene.
 

Klinton

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Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Amerikanet do te largohen nga Iraku vetem kur ne Irak te jete vendosur paqja dhe stabiliteti i saj.
Nje largim i mundshem dhe i shpejte do te thote nje katastrofe per paqen ne kontinentin aziatik dhe ne Lindjen e Mesme.
Terrorizmi eshte problemi me kryesor per te cilin USA-te kane harxhuar me biliarda dollare.
Pra eshte nje investim per paqen boterore.
 

dirty vegas

Primus registratum
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

A e nisen vallen ...s'ka numra tashi ..duhet ta cojn deri ne fund.
 

Guest
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Fillimisht postuar nga sapun_rrogozhine:
[qb] A e nisen vallen ...s'ka numra tashi ..duhet ta cojn deri ne fund. [/qb]
ca nisen ?
 

mostro

Putraku
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

ahuhaaaaaaa ene juve!!aty s'ka maru akoma nafta ju doni qe ata te ikin /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

Guest
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

gjakpires /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

gurax

Pan ignoramus
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Te ikin? :eek:

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Rast i mire per te tere ata qe jane gati "te luftojne per demokracine" si dhe per te realizuar endrren "Amerika".


Artikulli i plote eshte ketu.

Nxirrini vete perfundimet.
 

korn83

Forumium praecox
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

jam dakort me annablue...po te ikin amerikanet prej iraku...te gjithe,perfshi hipokritet antiamerikane kane per te thene ne te ardhmen:si iken keta janki e lane nje popull "te vuajtur" ne meshiren e fatit :eek:
prandaj nuk di ç'te them...te jete per irakun dhe harapet,duhet te rrine...pasi irakenet kane disa borxhe per te lare...
te jete per amerikanet,per te miren e tyre,do te isha i lumtur sikur te largoheshin sa me pare nga ajo situate!
 

MLK

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Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Iraku eshte thuajse i shkaterruar, pa infrastrukture, spitale, shkolla, industri...me puset e naftes qe duhen rindertuar per te arritur ne kapacitetet maksimale te shfrytezimit...Amerikanet kane vetshpallur ekslyzivitetin per ndertimin e atyre qe shkateruan dhe e gjithe fatura do paguhet me parate irakiane sigurisht. Keshtu qe Amerika do te jete prezente dhe dhjetvjeçare ne Irak pasi ka miliarda dollare per te fituar e pa konkurence e ky eshte nje nga bsurditetet me te medha qe po ndodh. Ne tregetine nderkombetare e ne ligjet e saj nuk egziston asnje ligj qe ti japi ekslyzivitetin Nje vendi si Amerika me preteksin se beri nje lufte kudra terrorizmit. Iraku nuk ka nderhyre kurre ne problemet amerikane, nuk i ka cenuar kurre teritorin keshtu qe juridikisht nuk ka asnje detyrim juridik ndaj Amerikes. Ashtu sikurse nuk ka pse pasuria e nentokes irakiane te jete nen mbikqyrjen amerikane!
E thene ndryshe do te ishte sikur Amerika te vendoste ne Kosove per kompanine qe do te blinte nje ndermarje shteterore kosovare dhe pse kjo kompani eshte prone e popullit kosovar! Mos te behet njeri merak se kjo gje nuk ndodh me Kosoven pasi Kosova nuk ka nafetn e miliardat e Irakut nentoke /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Pra te gjitha projektet qe do te behen ne Irak nuk do te behen ne baze te tenderave te hapur nderkombetar por ne baze te klasifikimit te vete administrates amerikane duke perjashtuar te gjitha kompanite private te cilat i perkasin shteteve qe nuk morren pjese ne lufte!
Shume e bukur "demokracia" qe po shet Amerika neper bote e pastaj do çuditemi se si do jete nje shtet i korruptuar Iraku per 50 vitet e ardheshme!
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

MLK kjo është edhe një nga arsyet më të forta të rezistencës anti-amerikane në Irak. Këta budallenjt kujtojn se lufta bëhet për Allahun por nuk e kuptojn dot se Allahu nuk ka punë me naftën apo me pozitën e Irakut.
Kornit më lart i vjen keq për vuajtjet e amerikanëve :eek: dhe i bëhet qejfi për dënimin e "harapëve". E kupton se deri ku shkon budallalliku apo monstruoziteti?
Qeniet njerëzore, pavarësisht nga aspiratat, niveli, botëkuptimi e besimi që gjithsecili ka, dallohen, dënohen, persekutohen vetëm në varësi kombësisë. Është bërë më parë, bëhet sot e do vazhdojë të bëhet. Por kur tregon rracizëm një shqiptar, për më tepër kur ky jeton në Itali dhe e sheh "prima mano" se ç'do të thotë rracizëm, për mua është më shumë snobizëm ose ... s'po e them se na i ngelet hatri Korn /pf/images/graemlins/tongue.gif .
 

gurax

Pan ignoramus
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Kondrapedali, nje nga lutjet me te vjetra eshte: "Fali Zot, se s'dine c'bejne e se c'thone!"
 

antares

Primus registratum
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Shikoni se c'thote karabushi ne fjale:

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prandaj nuk di ç'te them...te jete per irakun dhe harapet,duhet te rrine...pasi irakenet kane disa borxhe per te lare...
te jete per amerikanet,per te miren e tyre,do te isha i lumtur sikur te largoheshin sa me pare nga ajo situate!
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C'jane keto borxhe per tu lare dhe kush i ka kujt borxh?
Nese do ta shikonim nga prizmi i te drejtes natyrale nderkombetare dhe Konventave te Gjeneves, atehere Jankite me te gjithe vasalet qe jane ne Irak (se bashku dhe me ca capacule shqiptare) i kane borxhe te medha Irakut!
Ti kur sulmon komshiun, i vret gruan e femijet dhe qeni i komshiut te kafshon, nuk mund e shkosh ne gjyq e te ankohesh e te thuash qe Hajdari (ndjese paste) me ka borxhe se qeni i tij me kafshoi, po shkon ne burgim te perjetshem apo merr 5 lekshin ne stadium (metoda kineze)!
Eshte e hidhur kur shqiptare kane keto mendime, me te tille mentalitet ata qe na trajtojne si lecka apo zgjebe morale automatikisht kane te drejte!
E hidhur po e vertete!
 

gurax

Pan ignoramus
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

antares, I always knew that fading to black doesn't equal disappearing! /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

antares

Primus registratum
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Aman me qafsh c'do me thene "Quanbu Tianxia", se bera nje kerkim me google dhe me tha "proverb kinez" po kur hapa faqen me doli nje kinezce me germa latine qe me beri te hidhem perpjete dhe te vras koken ne tavan!
Tani ti je pergjegjes per gungen time dhe me zberthe misterin qe e pagova kaq shtrenjte!
Sieg Heil!
 

antares

Primus registratum
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Ja biseda midis Sadamit dhe banditit Dumb-sfeld:
Interesante apo jo?

Minutes of the meeting between President Saddam Hussein and US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

AT the beginning of the meeting President Saddam appeared extremely calm, perhaps he was surprised that his visitor was Rumsfeld, but he did not show any nervous tension. Rumsfeld began the discussion:

Rumsfeld: I have come to meet you to talk with out about the situation in Iraq. We have been in communication with some of your supporters inside and outside Iraq and they advised us to listen to you.

Saddam Hussein: And what is it that you want? Your forces have occupied the territory of noble Iraq; you brought down the ruling regime without any legal basis; you attacked the sovereignty of an independent, free, sovereign country; and you committed crimes that history will record astestimony against your bloodstained civilization. So what more do you want after all that?

Rumsfeld (trying to conceal his anger): there no call for going into the past. I've come specially to present you a clear and specific offer and I want to hear from you a clear and specific answer.

Saddam Hussein (mockingly): I suppose you've come to apologize and return authority to the Iraqis.

Rumsfeld: We have nothing to apologize for. You were a danger to your neighbors. You were trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction, and you practiced dictatorship over your people. So it was natural for us to extend our hands to help the people of Iraq to rid themselves ofthe perils they faced for more than thirty years.

Saddam Hussein: I know that you're ignorant of history and I know that your president is no less ignorant. But it seems that you've been telling lies for so long that you have come to believe them yourselves. If you mean by "our neighbors" the Zionist Entity, then, yes, we really were posing a danger to it and preparing to liberate our plundered land in Palestine. This is the trust of every Arab person, not just Iraqis, for that land is Arab and its people are Arab and the Zionists have done nothing but occupy the land. They came to us from every corner of the world with your help and that of the old colonial powers. But if you mean Kuwait, I would like to ask you: Haveyou withdrawn from Kuwait or not?

Rumsfeld: These are security issues. Besides, between us and Kuwait and the other Gulf States there are security agreements.We came in based on their request to defend them from your threats.

Saddam Hussein: Isn't it funny to entrust the wolf to guard the sheep? The Kuwaiti people are an Arab people, and Kuwait is Iraqi territory. So I would ask you to go and read up on history well, except that I am sure that you will never be able to grasp it.

Rumsfeld: Enough of this chatter. I am offering you . . .

Saddam Hussein (cuts him off): Before you offer me your rotten goods, I want to ask you: did you find any weapons of mass destruction or not?

Rumsfeld (confused): we haven't found any so far. But we definitely will find them one day. Do you deny that you had the intention of making a nuclear bomb?

Saddam Hussein: We had no weapons of mass destruction since 1991. We were truthful when we spoke to the International Inspection Team and we were truthful in our letters toKofi Annan. And you knew those facts, but you were looking for any false excuse to occupy Iraq and overthrow the legal authorities.

Rumsfeld: The Iraqis greeted us happily and welcomed us and the reason was the bloody practices of your regime for all the years in which you ruled Iraq.

Saddam Hussein: I ask you, Mr. Rumsfeld . . . Enough lying. You are the ones who opened up cascades of blood on the land of Iraq. You plotted against us and you came with some traitors to take over rule of the great land of Iraq.

Rumsfeld: The ones you call traitors were chosen as their leaders by the Iraqi people by democratic means and clean elections, such as never took place while you ruled the country.

Saddam Hussein: I knew that you came with a band of traitors with[Jalal] at-Talibaniin their front ranks (laughs mockingly). Great Iraq being ruled by at-Talibani andal-Ja'fari, isn't that ridiculous? And what kind of elections are you talking about. Is it possible to hold free elections, as you call them, when our country is occupied? Mr. Rumsfeld, we have learned from history that occupiers come only with their lackeys and agents, then you want after all that to convince me that the people of Iraq are enjoying freedom and democracy? You must really be delirious.

Rumsfeld (trying very hard to control his anger): You are in isolation and don't know the facts of what is going on outside. The Iraqi people have been freed from your oppression. If they saw you or any of you men in the street, they would destroy you!!

Saddam Hussein: And I bet you that if you were able to announce where you are in Iraq, if the Iraqi Resistance learned where you were, you wouldn't be able to get out alive. I want to pass on some advice that you must convey to your stupid president: you must tell him to save what remains of his troops. Death is stalking them in every place and historywill not forgive him.

Rumsfeld: I came to talk with you about the 'terrorist' operations that your men are inciting and carrying out. Your men recently carried out a foul attack against Abu Ghurayb prison where more than 50 Americans were killed or wounded, and they killed a number of those in custody on various charges as well. Your men are getting help from terrorists from every corner of the world and they are threatening the democratic experiment in Iraq.

Saddam Hussein: What exactly is it that you want?

Rumsfeld: I'm making you one offer and that is that you will be released and can chose for yourself a place of exile freely, in any country you like, on condition that you go on television and issue a condemnation of terrorism and order your men to stop these acts.

Saddam Hussein: Have you obtained the agreement of your president to this offer?

Rumsfeld: Yes, this offer has been agreed on in a meeting in which the President, Vice President, Secretary of State, and Chief of Intelligence took part. AndI have been authorized to inform you of this offer.

Saddam Hussein: It's a trifling offer.

Rumsfeld (with a sigh): We're also ready to bring elements close to you into the government.

Saddam Hussein: And what else?

Rumsfeld: You will be given generous financial assistance and security protection for you and your family in the country of your choice.

Saddam Hussein: Do you want to hear my conditions?

Rumsfeld: I would love to.

Saddam Hussein (with an air of superciliousness and superiority) I want first from you that you set a time table for your withdrawal from Iraq and that your government commit itself to it before the world and that you begin the withdrawal immediately.
Secondly, I ask you to release immediately all the Iraqi and Arab prisoners in the prisons you have set up or in which you have taken the freedom of tens of thousands of honorable people of Iraq.

Thirdly, I ask from you to pledge to grant full compensation for the material losses that afflicted the Iraqi people as a result of your aggression against our country since the Mother of Battles in 1991 and until today. And I accept the assistance of an Arab and International Committee in estimating the extent of those losses.

Fourth, I ask that you return the money that you and your men plundered from the treasuries of Iraq, and its oil, in particular that criminal[L. Paul] Bremerand his gang of traitors and renegades.

Fifth, the return of the artifacts that you stole and gave to the archaeological artifact mafia. These are treasures that are beyond all the monetary value in the world, because they carry the history of Iraq and its civilization. It's true that you don't have any civilization or history and that the lifespan of your country is no more than a few hundred years, but all that must not serve to justify your theft and your hatred for the civilization of Iraq and the wealth of Iraq.

And sixth, you must hand over the weapons of mass destruction if you have found any and return to us the lives of all the martyrs whose lives you took and to return the honor of the noble women of Iraq whom you dishonored.

Rumsfeld: Is this some kind of joke?

Saddam Hussein: No! This is the bitter reality. . . which you know, Mr. Rumsfeld. You have committed the greatest crime in history against a peaceful Arab country. We met together in the 1980s. Do you remember your offers?

Rumsfeld: Enough of the past. We are reassessing our positions towards you and towards a number of powers that have been hostile to us in the past. We have decided to hold dialogue with moderate Islamicists and we have no objection to their coming to power through the ballot box. More important than that we have decided to open channels for dialogue with 'terrorist' organizations like Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and Hizbollah, which is pro-Iranian, and also with other fundamentalist organizations in the whole world. We even have a plan for contacting the Taliban movement in Afghanistan to study the possibility of their participation in power, in exchange for their giving up arms.

Saddam Hussein: So you have begun to rethink your erroneous course?

Rumsfeld: It is a natural development of events. We are striving to spread democracy in all countries and movements subject to tyranny.

Saddam Hussein: May you prosper if you are truthful. I know your real aim, though. If you were really truthful, then you and your allies must begin immediately by withdrawing from Iraq. And you would also have to depart from your position of support for 'Israel'. But I know that your president is stubborn and arrogant and is not telling the truth.

Rumsfeld: He is a democratically elected president, not a bloody ruler like you.

SaddamHussein: Terror is your product and lying is your method.

Rumsfeld: This offer is a historic opportunity for you. You will be released and we will consult with you in everything related to the running of Iraq. If you refuse this offer, the opportunity will not be fulfilled.

Saddam Hussein: I am not looking for opportunities. I am not looking for a way to save my neck from the gallows that you have set up for all of Iraq. If I wanted that I would have accepted the Russian offer and saved my sons and grandson from martyrdom. I don't know what has become ofmy family and my daughters and grandchildren. But believe me I am concerned with every Iraqi citizen and the future of great Iraq more than I am concerned with myself and my family.

Through your men, you previously made an offer that if I declare that weapons of mass destruction were smuggled to Syria, you said that in return you would release me. I rejected that then and I reject it again now.

Rumsfeld: I don't want a rejection from you. I want you to think about it. We are continuing our reassessment of our stances at the present time. We want to stop the bloodshed on both sides. And therefore we have made this offer out of the logic of power and not the logic of weakness.

We asked Jalal at-Talibani to make a statement denying any intention of executing you as a sign of good intentions on our part. We are ready to reassess our whole position on the political arrangement in Iraq as a whole and to discuss this matter with you and with your men.

Saddam Hussein: Are you ready to withdraw or not?

Rumsfeld: We can possibly discuss redeployment. Our forces have prepared bases for a long stay. We can possibly withdraw from streets and cities, but we will remain in the bases for some time.

Saddam Hussein: then you want a new stooge to add to that line of stooges. No Mr. Rumsfeld. Don't forget that you are talking with Saddam Hussein the President of the Republic of Iraq.

Rumsfeld: But you lost power.

Saddam Hussein: I have nothing left but honor and honor cannot be bought and sold.

Rumsfeld: But life is priceless.

Saddam Hussein: There is no value to life without honor. You robbed Iraq of its honor when you trampled on its land and we will regain our honor whether Saddam Hussein remains or dies a martyr.

Rumsfeld: Your supporters with whom we have been discussing told us that you were the first and last decision maker. Were they expecting this reaction from you?

Saddam Hussein: Definitely, they know that Saddam Hussein cannot back away at the expense of his homeland and honor.

Rumsfeld: History will hold you responsible for the blood that is being shed in Iraq.

Saddam Hussein: Rather history will judge you for your crimes. I warned you before, saying that you would commit suicide on the walls of Baghdad. And here you are paying the price. I want you to go to London and read the records of the British Foreign Office and learn something aboutthe struggle of the Iraqi people against your British friends who are now repeating their mistakes and fighting with you. The Iraqi people are a stubborn people who do not fear death. The Resistance is stronger than you imagine. So I promise you that you will have even more.
 

une_une

Primus registratum
Re: A duhet te largohen SHBA tani nga Iraku?!

Sikur te marrim te vertete kete interviste ka disa fragmente te cuditshme ai qe e ka shkruar ka qene amator ose Sadami po pergenjeshtron veten ne driten e diellit. Me lejoni te i postoj.

Fillimisht postuar nga antares
Saddam Hussein: We had no weapons of mass destruction since 1991. We were truthful when we spoke to the International Inspection Team a
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Saddam Hussein: Do you want to hear my conditions?
Rumsfeld: I would love to.
Saddam Hussein (with an air of superciliousness and superiority) I want first from you that you set a time table for your withdrawal from Iraq and that your government commit itself to it before the world and .....
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And sixth, you must hand over the weapons of mass destruction if you have found any...
Kur Sadami mburret se ka qene i ndershem cfare arme te shkaterrimit ne mase kerkon te gjetura deri tani nga amerikanet
 
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