Mrekullite e Jerusalemit!!

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Kukes faleminderit, te shperblefsha me vone!


Scence Factor po perseris ato qe the ti edhe une.

Fillimisht postuar nga Scence Factor
a nuk do kishte qene kollaj qe ne si muslimane gjakatare ti kishim zhdukur njehere e mire nga faqja e dheut kur ishim ne kulmin e forces tone ushtarake dhe jo ta linim per tani
Fillimisht postuar nga Shadow of Self
Faleminderit per mendimet puro myslymane. Ka nje detaj te vogel. Hebrenjte nuk ishin aty.. Ishin marre me kohe skllever nga Romaket ne Europe.
Fillimisht postuar nga Scence Factor
desha te te rikujtoj se qyteti i Medines, .... si pasoje e tre fiseve cifute qe banonin aty se bashku me dy fisa arabe,
Ti Scence Factor e lexon se prapthi si Kurani. Ne fakt Kurani lexohet se prapthi sepse se drejti nuk e kupton dot te verteten. Romaket nuk vajten ne Medina, Medina nuk bie gjeografikisht ne Izrael po ne Arabi.

Ne Kuran thuhet shfarosini cifutet!. Gjeja me e mire Romaket bene eshte marrja skllav e tyre per ne Europe. Nuk eshte hera e pare hebrenjte jane marre skllever si komb. Nga koha e perandorise osmane (shekujt 15-16 shume pak, kane qene te paret, hebrenj jane kthyer. Shume jane punesuar nga Porta e Larte si artizane, llogaritare sepse turqit as sot nuk dine te mbledhin pavaresisht kane grabitur per 500 vjet nje hapesire te madhe)

nuk e besoj se ato tre fiset kane ngelur gjalle njeri, pavaresisht 1000 e 1 genjeshtrat ne Kuran.

Fillimisht postuar nga Scence Factor
dhe ej boll me ato epitetet jenicere etj etj
Luftare te lirise per te cliruar ke? Vete Porta e Larte i quante jenicer. ah! e gjeta: muhajedin!


Perseris. E verteta duhet perseritur.
Llogjika njerezore nuk nevoje per fakte te noterizuara per nxjerre nje genjeshter.

Sa ishte numri i jenicereve TOLERANTE turq (Kalifati Islam Osman sic quhet ne vete Hadithet Islame) u deshen per te konvertuar me force ne kristianizem Perandorine e Romes.

Tek Iliria.
Pastaj Iliria u konvertua me force nga Perandoria e Romes.

Ne fakt ishin 2 "jenicere TOLERANT turq" me jatagan ne brez dhe por me Kuran ne dore ata qe shperndane kristianizmin neper Europe.

Emri i Ilirise, shkruar nga vete apostujt kristiane, eshte ne ungjinjte kristiane por gjithashtu ne Kuran. Personalisht Muhamedi ka shkruar per shqiptaret.


Genjeshtra islamike se shqiptaret u konvertuan me force nga ushtria pushtuese romake ne kristianizem ndersa jeniceret nuk kane ndihmuar per konvertuar me force ne myslymane shqiptaret!

Eshte fragment nga libri "1000 e 1 nete me genjeshtra myslymane".
 

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M... NJERI E K... TJETRI.
SA TE MEMCUR QE JENI. BRAVO JU QOFTE.
çuditet tjetri kur ju lexon.
HEBREJT MA SHUME SE GJITHKUSH.ATA .?NE /. JU .RROFSHI.QOFSHI.
GUZUAR FESTEN.
PA FJALE.DISKUTIM MODERNE.JO TE GJITHE DO ME KUPTOJNE.TOLERANCE JERUZALEM. :confused: :confused: :confused: :wave:
 

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Romaket nuk do kishin bere keq ta kishin Kartagjenizuar Judene po per te keqen e tyre nuk e bene nje gje te tille! Ne kohen e persekutimeve gjakatare te kristianeve nje pjese e mire e urrejtjes se popullsise Romake vinte per arsye se ata (si injorante te perjetshme qe jane turmat) mendonin se kristianet ishin cifute. Populli nuk arrinte te kuptonte dallimin gjigand midis cifuteve, ketyre kepushave helmuese dhe kristianeve qe ne shumicen e rasteve ishin po popull po i konvertuar ne kete fe te re!
Gjitashtu dhe kronikat e asaj kohe flasin per nxitjet djallezore qe u benin cifutet plebes romane per te persekutuar pa meshire kristianet!
Kaq per ate "te marrurit" skllav te cifuteve, gabimi qe kane bere te gjitha perandorite dhe shtetet qe kane qene ne kontakt dhe kane nenshtruar cifutet eshte se ata ose i akne lene te livadhisin, ose i kane marre skllever. Kurre, e perseris kurre nuk merret nje koloni akrepesh ne shtepi, qofte edhe nen masa te forta sigurie. E dini se c'behet me akrepet!
 

une_une

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Postuar fillimisht nga antares MS, PhD nga Islamic University of Riad, Saudi Arabia
Gjitashtu dhe kronikat e asaj kohe flasin per nxitjet djallezore qe u benin cifutet plebes romane per te persekutuar pa meshire kristianet!
Influence te madhe na paskan pasur sklleverit ne "plebene" e Perandorise Romake per te persekutuar kristianet?
E morre nga libri "1000 e 1 nete dhe genjeshtra nga Arabia"?

Eshte shkruar ne hadithet islame e Ebu Hamid Al-Sabri ushtria osmane ka ardhur vetem pasi gjithe popullsia shqiptare ishte konvertuar me deshire ne islam. Pastaj kane jetuar ne paqe 500 vjet kane bere palle.


11 pyetje te tjera.

1) Ne cfare viti e pushtoi Turqia (Kalifati Islam Osman) per here te trete Romen?
2) Cili ishte sulltani qe pushtoi Romen per here te dyte?
3) Kur filloi konvertimi me force i Perandorise Romake ne kristianizem nga jeniceret turq?
4) Kur filloi konvertimi me force i shqiptareve ne kristianizem nga Roma?
5) A permendet vertet fjala "Iliri" per shqiptaret 17 here ne Kuran?
6) Eshte e vertete fjala "Iliri" per shqiptaret eshte shkruar ne Biblat mbas vitit 2004?

E morre nga libri "1000 e 1 nete dhe genjeshtra nga Arabia"? i le te pasqaruara keto 12 pyetjet e mia.

E di shume mire nga te buron urrejtja per hebrenjte ti i quan akrepa. Robert Jakov Shvarc (ai eshte hebre si une) mbetet studiuesi me i mire i gjuhes shqipe te pakten keto 20 vjetet e fundit ka lene nje pune monumentale per gjuhen shqipe. Mbahet i pari qe ka argumentuar shkencerisht perendite "greke" nepermjet gjuhes shqipe as greket vete nuk i japin dot te tilla shpjegime.

antares (i vetedeklaruar orthodoks?), ky postim nuk eshte asgje, dalengadale po shembet nje genjeshter gjigande 500 vjecare e konvertimit "nga qejfi ne myslyman te shqiptareve" ndihme ben edhe nje postimi i thjeshte ne forum.
 

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By Israel Shahak, with a foreword by Gore Vidal. Published by Pluto Press (London, 1994).

When the Roman historian Tacitus pointed out 19 centuries ago that the Jews are unique among the races of man in their intense hatred and contempt for all races but their own, he was only repeating what many other scholars had discovered before him. For the next 1,900 years other investigators came to similar conclusions, either from a study of the Jews' religious writings or from a study of the Jews' behavior toward non-Jews.

Notable among these was the Great Reformer, Martin Luther, who in 1543 wrote in Von den JØden und Ihren LØgen :

Does not their Talmud say, and do not their rabbis write, that it is no sin to kill if a Jew kills a heathen, but it is a sin if he kills a brother in Israel? It is no sin if he does not keep his oath to a heathen. Therefore, to steal and rob, as they do with their usury, from a heathen is a divine service. For they hold that they cannot be too hard on us nor sin against us, because they are of the noble blood and circumcised saints; we, however, are cursed goyim. And they are the masters of the world, and we are their servants, yea, their cattle....

Should someone think that I am saying too much, I am not saying too much, but much too little. For I see in their writings how they curse us goyim and wish us all evil in their schools and their prayers.
 

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Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3,000 Years

By Israel Shahak, with a foreword by Gore Vidal. Published by Pluto Press (London, 1994).

When the Roman historian Tacitus pointed out 19 centuries ago that the Jews are unique among the races of man in their intense hatred and contempt for all races but their own, he was only repeating what many other scholars had discovered before him. For the next 1,900 years other investigators came to similar conclusions, either from a study of the Jews' religious writings or from a study of the Jews' behavior toward non-Jews.

Notable among these was the Great Reformer, Martin Luther, who in 1543 wrote in Von den JØden und Ihren LØgen :

Does not their Talmud say, and do not their rabbis write, that it is no sin to kill if a Jew kills a heathen, but it is a sin if he kills a brother in Israel? It is no sin if he does not keep his oath to a heathen. Therefore, to steal and rob, as they do with their usury, from a heathen is a divine service. For they hold that they cannot be too hard on us nor sin against us, because they are of the noble blood and circumcised saints; we, however, are cursed goyim. And they are the masters of the world, and we are their servants, yea, their cattle....

Should someone think that I am saying too much, I am not saying too much, but much too little. For I see in their writings how they curse us goyim and wish us all evil in their schools and their prayers.

The Jews responded to Luther like they responded to all the others. They put him down as just another "hater," blinded by religious bigotry. And today that's still the Jews' standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about them except the most fawning praise.

When British newsman William Cash, Los Angeles correspondent for London's Daily Telegraph , reported late last year in a magazine article the simple fact that the executives in Hollywood's motion picture industry are nearly all Jews, they shrieked at him, "Hater!" and denied his fact. When spokesmen for the National Alliance, America's premier patriotic organization, discuss on the group's radio programs the Jewish control of the news and entertainment media or Jewish backing for gun confiscation or for racial mixing, the Jews also denounce them as "haters," and a call goes out to prohibit "hate" on the airwaves.

Thus, Israel Shahak's book is all the more important for being a document by a knowledgeable Jew--a Jewish "insider"--about the beliefs and behavior of his fellow Jews. Born in Warsaw in 1933, Shahak spent a portion of his childhood in the concentration camp in Belsen, from which he immigrated to Palestine in 1945. He grew up in Israel, served in the Israeli military, and became a chemistry professor. Like all Israelis, he became fluent in Hebrew. He also became acclimated to the peculiar moral atmosphere of Israeli society: a combination of overweening arrogance and deceit, a mixture of pugnacious self-righteousness and duplicity.

Unlike his fellow Israelis, however, Professor Shahak is deeply troubled by this peculiar atmosphere. Whereas the Jews around him take it for granted that the goyim on whom they depend for economic, military, and diplomatic support are too stupid ever to figure out what the Jews think about them and say about them behind their backs and plan to do to them when they can, and too sheeplike ever to take effective action if they do figure it out, he worries. He remembers that the Romans figured it out, and they consequently sacked Jerusalem and chased the Jews out of Palestine. He remembers that the Germans figured it out, and that's why he became an involuntary tenant in a concentration camp. He's worried that if his fellow Jews continue behaving as they always have, they will get themselves into some really serious trouble--again.

In particular, Professor Shahak is concerned about the behavior of those of his race who adhere to Judaism. He is not one of these himself, and so he is able to look with some degree of objectivity at the mixture of superstition, Jewish chauvinism, and hatred of non-Jews which makes up the Jewish religion and its sacred writings. He deplores traditional Jewish teachings, not only because of the danger that some new Martin Luther will come along and spill the beans to the Gentiles, but because of the spiritually debilitating effect these teachings have had on the Jews themselves. Of the world of medieval Jewry in Europe, the world of the ghetto and the shtetl which modern Jewish writers refer to in euphoric tones as a world of quaint tradition and piety, Shahak says: "It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism, and ignorance . . . ."

He cites a number of specific instances of the ways in which Jewish religious authorities have kept their flocks under control. In general, the rabbis have taught their fellow Jews that their Gentile neighbors are spiritually and morally unclean; that they are subhuman, on a level with the beasts of the field; and that they hate Jews and must be hated in return. Jews are taught that the Christian religion is a religion fit only for animals, and that its founder, Jesus, was the son of a prostitute and is presently immersed in a pit of boiling excrement in hell.

Among the Hassidim (Hebrew for "pious ones") all of these teachings are kept current. Shahak points out that a central thesis of the Hassidic doctrine is that only Jews are human beings, and that the universe was created for them alone. Non-Jews were created only to be used by Jews. Although this teaching about the subhumanity of Gentiles is most open and explicit among the bearded, sidelocked, black-hatted Orthodox Jews that one sees in Jewish strongholds such as New York City, it comes from the core of Jewish tradition and is accepted to a greater or lesser degree by all pious Jews. It is, for example, a specific tenet of the Jewish Defense League and is cited in the membership handbook for that group.

Especially frustrating to Professor Shahak is the clever deception which his fellow Jews use to conceal the true nature of Judaism from their Gentile neighbors. Regarding the veil of false piety which conceals from Gentile eyes the malevolent doctrine of the Hassidim, he writes: "A chief deceiver in this case, and a good example of the power of deception, was Martin Buber. His numerous works eulogizing the whole Hassidic movement (including Habbad) never so much as hint at the real doctrines of Hassidism concerning non-Jews." Buber (1878-1965) promoted Hassidism in Germany during the rise of the National Socialists--in fact, until 1938, when he left for Palestine--and Shahak considers Buber's efforts, despite their deceptiveness, at least partly responsible for the National Socialist reaction to the Jews. There were, after all, plenty of National Socialists perceptive enough to see through the veil. One of these was Adolf Hitler's early comrade, the editor and playwright Dietrich Eckart, whose booklet Der Bolschewismus von Moses bis Lenin is especially revealing in this regard (available in English translation from National Vanguard Books for $5.00, postpaid).

Another example of Jewish deception given by Professor Shahak concerns the etymology of the Yiddish word for a Gentile girl, shiksa . He cites the popular English-language book The Joys of Yiddish (New York, 1968), by Leo Rosten, which tells its readers that shiksa comes from the Hebrew word sheqetz , meaning "blemish." Writes Shahak, "This is a barefaced lie, as every speaker of Hebrew knows. The Megiddo Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary, published in Israel, correctly defines sheqetz as follows: `unclean animal; loathsome creature, abomination . . . .'"

Professor Shahak writes with passion. He evidently feels that liberating Jews everywhere from the shackles of their misanthropic superstitions and freeing Israeli state policy in particular from the stifling influence of Judaism is a matter of some urgency. He focuses our attention especially on the inherent hatefulness of Judaism with citations from a number of Jewish religious writings.

This has been a favorite activity of anti-Jewish writers for centuries, who have belabored us with the Talmud's insulting and hostile comments about Gentiles. The inaccessibility to Gentiles of many of the Hebrew texts, however, together with the deception veiling them, has made Talmudic exegesis a problematic task for all Gentiles with less scholarship or determination than that of Martin Luther. For this reason one must exercise considerable discretion in quoting from many anti-Jewish writings: translations are often questionable, and references are often garbled.

Professor Shahak does not have these limitations: he knows where to look; he understands the secret meanings of all of the deceptive euphemisms; and he gives us clear and reliable translations. In a chapter titled "The Laws against Non-Jews," he writes:

. . . [T]he Halakhah, that is the legal system of classical Judaism--as practiced by practically all Jews from the 9th century to the end of the 18th and as maintained to this very day in the form of Orthodox Judaism--is based primarily on the Babylonian Talmud. However, because of the unwieldy complexity of the legal disputations recorded in the Talmud, more manageable codifications of talmudic law became necessary . . . . The most authoritative code, widely used to date as a handbook, is the Shulhan 'Arukh . . . .

He then cites the teaching of this code regarding homicide:

According to the Jewish religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense and one of the three most heinous sins (the other two being idolatry and adultery). Jewish religious courts and secular authorities are commanded to punish, even beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of justice, anyone guilty of murdering a Jew. . . . When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court. To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all.

Thus, one of the two most important commentators on the Shulhan 'Arukh explains that when it comes to a Gentile, "one must not lift one's hand to harm him, but one may harm him indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice . . . there is no prohibition here, because it was not done directly." . . .

A Gentile murderer who happens to be under Jewish jurisdiction must be executed whether the victim was Jewish or not. However, if the victim was Gentile and the murderer converts to Judaism, he is not punished.

Then Shahak gives us a rabbi's answer to an Israeli soldier who has asked whether or not it is proper to kill Arab women and children. In his answer the rabbi quotes from the Talmud: "The best of the Gentiles--kill him; the best of snakes--dash out its brains."

Perhaps even more offensive are the Jewish beliefs on sexual matters. Shahak writes:

Sexual intercourse between a married Jewish woman and any man other than her husband is a capital offense for both parties, and one of the three most heinous sins. The status of Gentile women is very different. The Halakhah presumes all Gentiles to be utterly promiscuous and the verse "whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue [of semen] is like the issue of horses" is applied to them. . . . Therefore, the concept of adultery does not apply to intercourse between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman; rather the Talmud equates such intercourse to the sin of bestiality. . . .

According to the Talmudic Encyclopedia : "He who has carnal knowledge of the wife of a Gentile is not liable to the death penalty, for it is written: `thy fellow's wife' rather than the alien's wife . . . and although a married Gentile woman is forbidden to the Gentiles, in any case a Jew is exempted."

This does not imply that sexual intercourse between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman is permitted--quite the contrary. But the main punishment is inflicted on the Gentile woman; she must be executed, even if she was raped by the Jew: "If a Jew has coitus with a Gentile woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmarried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day--because he had willful coitus with her she must be killed, as is the case with a beast, because through her a Jew got into trouble."

The Talmud's overriding concern with matters of money and property mirror that of the Jews, and Professor Shahak offers a number of hair-splitting examples of Jewish beliefs on the subject and the way in which distinctions are made between the property of Jews and Gentiles, and between Jewish dealings with another Jew and with a Gentile. Two of these examples will suffice here:

If a Jew finds property whose probable owner is Jewish, the finder is strictly enjoined to make a positive effort to return his find by advertising it publicly. In contrast, the Talmud and all the early rabbinical authorities not only allow a Jewish finder to appropriate an article lost by a Gentile, but actually forbid him or her to return it. . . .

It is forbidden to defraud a Jew by selling or buying at an unreasonable price. However, "Fraud does not apply to Gentiles, for it is written: `Do not defraud each man his brother' . . . ."

Shahak points out that "the Halakhah interprets all such idioms [as `each man his brother' or `neighbor'] as referring exclusively to one's fellow Jew."

How have the Jews managed to keep teachings of this sort concealed from the Gentiles among whom they live? The truth of the matter is that they have not always been able to do so. Luther was not the only Christian scholar who learned Hebrew, peered into the Talmud, and was horrified by what he saw. Sometimes the Jews were able to bribe the Christian authorities to overlook such things, but throughout the later Middle Ages there were prohibitions and burnings of talmudic literature by outraged popes and bishops.

The Jews developed a clever system of double bookkeeping to circumvent such "persecution." They modified or deleted the offending passages from new editions of the Talmud, and they made up a separate compendium--Talmudic Omissions , or in Hebrew Hesronot Shas --which circulated surreptitiously among the rabbis. In Israel today, feeling cocky enough to dispense with most such deceptions, the Jews are putting the passages which formerly had been omitted or modified back into the latest editions of the Talmud or the Shulhan 'Arukh in their original form. They are still careful with translations into Gentile tongues, however. Professor Shahak gives an example:

In 1962 a part of the Maimonidean Code . . . the so-called Book of Knowledge , which contains the most basic rules of Jewish faith and practice, was published in Jerusalem in a bilingual edition, with the English translation facing the Hebrew text. The latter has been restored to its original purity, and the command to exterminate Jewish infidels appears in it in full: "It is a duty to exterminate them with one's own hands." In the English translation this is somewhat softened to: "It is a duty to take active measures to destroy them." But then the Hebrew text goes on to specify the prime examples of "infidels" who must be exterminated: "Such as Jesus of Nazareth and his pupils, and Tzadoq and Baitos [the founders of the Sadducean sect] and their pupils, may the name of the wicked rot." Not one word of this appears in the English text on the facing page (78a). And, even more significant, in spite of the wide circulation of this book among scholars in the English-speaking countries, not one of them has, as far as I know, protested against this glaring deception.

Professor Shahak is too naive. If he ventured out of Israel more and came to know Christian scholars better, he would understand what a pathetic and Politically Correct rabble they have become. There is not the slightest spark of Martin Luther left in the lot of them. Traitors to their own people as well as to their religion, they smile and genuflect at every insult from the Jews and are capable of feeling indignation only when the Jews receive some slight. The Jews are able to enlist them by the regiment to denounce in unison as "hate" any criticism of Jewish policies or doctrines, but they turn a blind eye to the virulent hatred which permeates Judaism and motivates the great majority of Jews, religious as well as secular.

Israel Shahak is a rare Jew indeed, and his book is essential reading for anyone interested in the problem of the Jews.
 

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Judaizmi nuk te konverton me force as me deshire.

Te bej ndarjen une:
Judaizmi:

Judaizmi nuk te refuzon te hysh por ama nuk e can koken nese behesh ti ne fene e tij apo jo.
Kristianizmi:

Gjate historise se tij te lutet te behesh ti kristian si ata. Kohet e fundit e ka lene edhe kete.

perjashtim ka ndodhur kur turqit konvertuan me force romaket ne kristianizem dhe pastaj romaket me force iliret, i cili eshte rasti i vetem
Islamizmi:

Gjate historise se tij te thote ose behu Islam me hir ose me pahir (marrja peng psh: e Skenderbeut nuk quhet me pahir por kamp pushimi)

ose ne te kunderten je infidel do paguash na paguash dyfish taksat (taksa zekati per myslymanet dhe taksa xhizje per kaurret sic eshte urdheruar Profeti nga Allahu ne Kuran)

edhe do te pres koken po kundershtove.
Anatares cfare ka te beje gjithe ky postim i yti me temen? Tema eshte "Mrekullite e Jeruzalemit" ti nuk perton te biesh carcafe gazetash edhe websites. Prure nje website mbrapa saj (sepse eshte bere e famshme) qendron nje arab Amir Islam. Genje Genje se dicka do ngele antares? Mjere shqiptaret me keta ne gjirin e tyre.

Robert Jakov Shvarc mbetet studiuesi me i mire i gjuhes shqipe te pakten keto 20 vjetet e fundit ka lene nje pune monumentale per gjuhen shqipe. Mbahet i pari qe ka argumentuar shkencerisht perendite "greke" nepermjet gjuhes shqipe as greket vete nuk i japin dot te tilla shpjegime.


Antares shqiptaret asnjehere nuk kane pasur keq nga hebrenjte. Hebrenjte jane pak tek shqiptaret ndersa si ti antares ka shume. Nuk e kuptoj cfare interesi ke ti antares te afrosh shqiptaret me arabet apo turqit?

Si nuk ke bere njehere perpjekje te afrosh shqiptaret me europianet (edhe amerikanet jane nga Europa!). The best is yet to come if albanians are morally with its own home and people.

Fundi i fundit Europa eshte shtepia e shqiptareve. Mire a keq, si do qe te kene arritur situatat, asgje kurre nuk mund te behet arsye te largohesh prej njerezve te shtepise tende.


You are further alienating albanians within its own home, and in the middle there it is: Islam! Do something to start repairing the damage caused by you or as matter of fact europians. Just think of consequencies, what brought in today's alienation of albanians by europians? And in the middle there it is: Islam!
 

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o SOS ate qe te thash per qytetin e Medines dhe fiset hebreje qe jetonin ne te qe para shpalljes se Islamit e bera per te te treguar qe muslimanet nuk kane pasur asnjehere qellim te tyre te shfarrosin hebrejte. perkundrazi neve ku te jetojme ne paqe me te gjithe. por ti mer mik e ke qejf ti perdoresh fjalet e te tjereve sipas qejfit tend dhe nuk mundohesh ti kuptosh fjalet e te tjereve. gjithashtu mos harro se ne pikun e vet Islami arriti nje perhapje te madhe gjeografike dhe nuk ishte me puna a i kishte marre Roma hebrejt skllever me pare apo jo, sepse gjithsesi do te gjendeshin ne tokat e kalifatit. un serisht te shtroj ty pyetjen pse nuk i shfarrosem nga faqja e dheut njehere e mire atehere por duam ta bejme tani. pergjigja eshte fort e thjeshte: nuk deshem atehere, nuk duam as tani.
un e kuptoj fare mire qe ti gjith problemin e ke me Islamin, ose me sakte e urren. kjo urrejtje te con ty dhe te tjeret si ty qe te paragjykojne cdo gje qe ka te beje me te. nuk arrin dot te japesh nje mendim racional sepse logjika jote eshte verbuar nga neveria qe ke per Islamin. por fundja mjafton te shofesh inicialet e nickut tend -SOS- dhe mjafton te te kuptosh ty si person. je ne pike te hallit. nuk ka mekanik qe te merr persiper ty me te rregullu, perfundimisht nuk behesh me.
si perfundim po deshe mos kthe me pergjigje, se nga sa kam marr vesh un nga postimet e tjera te tuat, nuk ja vlen qe as kete pergjigje te ta shkruaj (nejse po e marr kete mundim).
 

Ronald Demneri

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kjo eshte per Truth.

je e interesuar per te verteten? shume mire. atehere para se te besh gjith ato sqarime per postimin tim ne lidhje me ty, pergjigju pyetjes qe te drejtova:
nqs supozojme se Muhammedi s.a.u.s. nuk qenka e derguar, atehere si i shpjegon ti gjithe ato mrekulli shkencore te gdhendura ne ajetet kuranore? per me teper referohu tek www.harunyahya.com sepse aty do te gjesh pergjigje per kete pyetje - gjithmone nqs nuk flet me paragjykime dhe duke nenvleresuar. ashtu si SOS edhe ti e shef armikun tend tek Islami dhe muslimanet. nuk jemi te tille.

nje pyetje tjeter. un nuk kam nevoje te shaj, ofendoj apo ul Profetin tend (pra te krishterimit) per te provuar vertetesine e besimit te cilin un praktikoj. po ti pse ke nevoje te fyesh, ofedosh, poshterosh, etj. Profetin e Islamit per te vertetuar qe besimi yt eshte i vertete?

mendohu mire ksaj rradhe kur te kthesh pergjigje. dhe dicka tjeter. po ta kishe lexuar mire postimin tim te pare, dhe jo te ishe hedhur me shpejtesi sketerre ne kunderpergjigje do te kishe kuptuar edhe thelbin e fjales musliman. po ta shpjegoj edhe nje here:
kuptimi gjuhesor (ne gjuhen arabe) i kesaj fjale eshte me qene i nenshtruar ndaj dikujt; kuptimi fetar eshte me qene i nenshtruar dhe i dorezuar plotesisht ndaj Krijuesit tend, Zotit te boterave. e thjeshte besoj, apo gabohem? prandaj muslimane mund te quhen te gjithe profetet pa perjashtim. kupton? pra mos fol sipas qejfeve te tua dhe si te te shkoje ty me mire. sa per punen e dijes tende apo deshires per te zbuluar te verteten shembulli me siper per kuptimin e fjales musliman eshte mese i mjaftueshem per te treguar qe me shpjet kerkon te japesh kunderpergjigje sesa te marresh thelbin e asaj qe eshte shkruar ne fillim.

gjith te mirat.
 

Urim Nerguti

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Re: Mrekullite e Jerusalemit!!

O Zoti Sc(i)ence Factor !
U lodha duke thënë që fjala "nënshtrim" është e kundërt me fjalën shqiptar. Nqs ju keni ndërmend që të n'a e bëni këtë fjalë më të dashurën ne fjalorin tonë shqip, atëherë udha e mbarë të qoftë, por vetëm ! Por kur t'a marrësh këtë udhë, do të ishte më mirë t'i kërkosh falje shqiponjës, sepse kam frikë se ajo do të të kërkojë llogari për emrin që ia ke marrë.
Gjithë të mirat !
 

Ronald Demneri

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Re: Mrekullite e Jerusalemit!!

z. Kukes me vjen keq qe e keqkupton kete fjale. nuk e kam fjalen nenshtrim ndaj kujtdo qofte mik apo me shume akoma qofte ai armik i Shqiperise dhe shqiptareve kudo qe jane. aspak, asnjehere nuk e kam menduar nje gje te tille. dhe gjithashtu nuk e kam perdorur kete fjale vetem se ne kuptimin e saj fetar - pra i nenshtruar ndaj Allahut - sepse pervec shqiptar jam dhe musliman, krenar per te dyja sot dhe kurdo.

me fal per mosshpjegimin mire te asaj qe kisha ndermend. gjithe te mirat.

p.s. ne fakt nicku im shkon me mire edhe pa kllapat. tung
 
E

emigreta

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Re: Mrekullite e Jerusalemit!!

Kondra,

Une nuk flas ne ato fusha ku nuk marr vesh. Po te shohesh postimet e mija ne AF, nuk i fus hundet ne ato tema ku s'marr vesh. Por ketu marr vesh, madje shume me teper se ty.

Oh Zot! Ne cfare viti jeton ti? C'u boka andej nga Kanadaja ore, te ikkan fare edhe ato qe ke! Krishti grek? Te lutem, mos ja thuaj njeriu tjeter se do te te marrin per me te marre se Antares!

Krishti te cilit i referohemi quhej Jezus Krishti, dhe Jezus ishte emri qe engjelli i tha qe ti vinin foshnjes se u lind nga virgjeresha Marie. Pra, Jezusi ishte Biri i Perendise, por ishte edhe njeri, sepse ashtu u shfaq. Ne mish ishte njeri si ne po pa mekat, ne shpirt ishte Biri i Perendise. Ai erdhi per te shpetuar te gjithe njerezimin, nuk po e mohoj kete aspak, por se kush e kryqezoi, ke pjeserisht te drejte.

Dmth nese do besosh Biblen do e besosh te teren, jo te citosh ato qe do ti (megjithese s'po citon asgje).

Ja nje profeci qe flet per kryqezimin e tij, 700 vjet para ardhjes se tij, shihe me kujdes se kush e vrau ate:

Isaia 53:5,6

Por ai u tejshpua për shkak të shkeljeve tona, u shtyp për paudhësitë tona; ndëshkimi për të cilin kemi paqen është mbi të, dhe për shkak të vurratave të tij ne jemi shëruar.
6 Ne të gjithë endeshim si dele; secili prej nesh ndiqte rrugën e vet, dhe Zoti bëri që të bjerë mbi të paudhësia e ne të gjithëve.

Dmth Kondra, i gjithe njerezimi eshte pergjegjes per kryqezimin e tij, sepse nqs ai vdiq ne kryq, nuk e coi njeri atje me force, ai e beri vete ate me deshire, per te marre mekatet e te gjithe botes mbi vete:

Gjoni 10:17,18

Prandaj Ati më do, sepse unë e lë jetën time që ta marr përsëri.
18 Askush nuk mund të ma heqë, por e lë nga vetja; unë kam pushtet ta lë e pushtet ta marr përsëri; ky është urdhri që kam marrë nga Ati im``.

Keshtu qe mos mendo per nje sekond se ja mori njeri jeten atij, ai e la vete, me deshire. Keshtu qe nuk ishin cifutet ata qe e vrane, por ishim ne te gjithe. Te behesh antisemit ne baze te llogjikes tende eshte komplet gabim. S'ka absolutisht asnje baze biblike ajo qe thua ti. Dishepujt e tij ishin cifute, apo jo?

Blla, blla, blla! Ti as po kupton cfare thashe, lere me te shtjellosh me tutje!

Ti, me keq se Antares, se ke idene cfare meson Tora apo Bibla! Citoji te lutem kete qe po thua? Ku e formove ti kete mendim nga leximet QE KE BERE VETE NGA TORA OSE BIBLA! Jep referencat sic po bej une. Ti i merr keto nga faqe islamike dhe flet njesoj si ata pa kuptuar as kontekst as cfare thuhet ne te vertete aty.

Ben mire te flasesh per ato fusha ku je kompetent dhe di dicka vete se po shfaq qarte sa njohuri ke per kete fushe. Urrejtja per Ameriken dhe Izraelin s'jane mjaft per t'u dhene mend te tjereve.
 
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