Koha dhe udhetimet ne kohe!

[gurax]

Ok.. vazhdojme perseri te zbulojme sekretet e fshehta te udhetimeve ne forme rrathesh shkaksore.
E zeme se e korigjojme gabimin ne shkopin e bejzbollit dhe vendosim piken e gjakut qe mungon mbi shkop ne fotot 1, 2 dhe 3. Pas ngjarjes ne foton 4, do te kete dy pika gjaku mbi shkopin e bejsbollit ne foton numer 4. Kjo do te thote se ne foton 1 te iteracionit tjeter, do kishim ne fakt jo nje, por dy pika gjaku... mmm.... por atehere, sa pika gjak do te jene mbi shkopin e bejzbollit ne iteracionin e 'n'-te?

 

[Aki]

Yhyy do rriten eksponencialisht pastaj- ja paradoks ne vete dhe kjo, thats the point of time travel after all

 

[gurax]

Mire kaq, po rasti i kundert, qe shkopi i bejzbollit humbet nje cifel te vogel nga perplasja me koken e ketij Rob-it. Pas nja shume muajsh, meqe dicka e tille ketij i ndodhte cdo muaj, ai nuk do ishte me shkop bejzbolli ne dore, por me kruajtese dhembesh ne dore.

 

[Aki]

Qe eventualisht do ndodhte qe sdo mbetej asgje nga ajo, sdo merrte me goditje ne koke dhe do krijonte nje time machine me te cilen vec me do mundesohej qe nga e para te shkonte te takonte veten muaj me pare me nje shkop bejsbolli gjetiu

 

[gurax]

Pra, edhe udhetimet me natyre rrathe shkaksore, nuk jane "time invariant". Por kjo do te thote qe nuk jane rrathe te vertete shkaksore, sepse ndonese nuk mund te percaktojme ne menyre te sakte nje moment fillestar te hyrjes brenda rrethit shkaksor, sapo percaktuam piken e daljes nga rrethi shkaksor, momentin e perfundimit (whatever does that mean timewise in timetravel )

Rrathe shkaksore qe nuk jane rrathe shkaksore!
Ose kemi gabim ne logjike, ose kemi informacion te paplote ne analize.

 

[Aki]

Informacion te paplote ne analize

 

[Aki]

sa jemi te paradokset, @gurax lexo kete

A baby girl is mysteriously dropped off at an orphanage in Cleveland in 1945. “Jane” grows up lonely and dejected, not knowing who her parents are, until one day in 1963 she is strangely attracted to a drifter.

She falls in love with him, but just when things are looking up for Jane a series of disasters strikes: First, she becomes pregnant by the drifter, who then disappears. Second, during the complicated delivery doctors discover that Jane has both sets of sex organs, and to save her life, they most surgically convert “her” to a “him.” Finally, a mysterious stranger kidnaps her baby from the delivery room.

Reeling from these disasters, rejected from society, scorned by fate, “he” becomes a drunkard and a drifter. Not only has Jane lost her parents and her lover, but he has lost his only child as well. Years later, in 1970, he stumbles into a lonely bar, called Pop’s Place, and spills out his pathetic story to an elderly bartender. The sympathetic bartender offers the drifter the chance to avenge the stranger who left her pregnant and abandoned, on the condition that he join the “time traveller corps.” Both of them enter a time machine and the bartender drops the drifter off in 1963. The drifter is strangely attracted to a young orphan girl, who subsequently becomes pregnant.

The bartender then goes forward 9 months, kidnaps the baby girl from the hospital, and drops the baby off in an orphanage back in 1945. Then the bartender drops off the thoroughly confused drifter in 1985, to enlist in the time traveller corps. The drifter eventually gets his life together and becomes respected and elderly member of the time traveller corps, and then disguises himself as a bartender and has his most difficult mission: a date with destiny, meeting a certain drifter at Pop’s Place in 1970.

 

[gurax]

Paradoks eshte jo vetem kjo historia, por edhe vertetesia brenda saj e shprehjes "Screw yourself over and and over again!"

Por kjo historia duhet perkthyer. Per dy arsye.

 

[Aki]

E bukur apo

 

[Ameliè]

Me dergoni pas ne kohe te mos lejoj hapjen e ketij forumi.
Pengu im i vetem.

 

[gurax]

Patjeter qe eshte e bukur Aki. Imagjino qe nese ne nje menyre te tille ben mesatarisht nje udhetim kohe ne dite, per nje vit fare mire mund te jesh ne multiinstanca te ndryshme te vetvetes, nje popullate prej 365 njerezish. Sikur me pas kete gje ta besh rregullisht per 10 vjet rresht, je banori i vetem i nje qyteze te vogel me rreth 3650 banore. Dikur kandidon per kryetar bashkie.

Ameliè ky forum nuk ben padrejtesi. Edhe nese ben, i justifikon levizja perpara ne kohe sa here qe shohim ngjarjet pas ne kohe.

 

[Ameliè]

Gurax jemi me modeste ne endrra ne, nuk i futemi fushes se piste te politikes
Duhet n te kesh nje shpirt harbut te merresh me ate gje,
Ti ke shpirt apo jo?

 

[Aki]

Me dergoni pas ne kohe te mos lejoj hapjen e ketij forumi.
Pengu im i vetem.

Pik se pari do duhej te kesh informata per kohen oren e sakte kur eshte hapur dhe nga kush eshte hapur, pastaj do duhej te kesh informata ku jetojne, rutinen e perditshme te jetes qe t'i gjesh krijuesit para kohe dhe ti bindesh qe seshte mire te hapin forumin. Pastaj ata te bindur sdo e hapnin kete forum, ti sdo regjistroheshe dhe sdo ndjeje deshperim nga nje forum qe nuk ekzistoi kurre dhe sdo kishe nevoje te shkosh pas ne kohe per te ndryshuar kohen dhe si rrjedhim pasi ti nuk do udhetoje ne te kaluaren krijuesit e forumit nuk do kishin pengesa dhe perseri do kishin krijuar forumin...
Paradoks....so meta ^_^

 

[Ameliè]

Aki ti qenke e vetmja keshtu e vecante ketu

Me thuaj sa dakort je nese do ishte bota me e bukur me teknologji apo pa te?

 

[Aki]

Hmmm pa dalur shume nga tema se ka dhe tema ku diskutohet efekti teknologjise, nuk do gjykoja, edhe teknologjia edhe natyra kane avantazhet dhe dezavantazhet....i ke dhe kto te perpunuara ne nje film te Miyazakit, Princess Mononoke

 

[gurax]

Ameliè, pyetje te tilla kaq te komplikuara duhet t'ju pergjigjem vetem me fuqine e votes. Do bej nje referendum me vetvetet dhe perfundimin do e publikoj para ca vitesh. Rezultati ishte "jo", me fitore shume te dyshimte, 51-49 %.

 

[Ameliè]

Pi

Ameliè, pyetje te tilla kaq te komplikuara duhet t'ju pergjigjem vetem me fuqine e votes. Do bej nje referendum me vetvetet dhe perfundimin do e publikoj para ca vitesh. Rezultati ishte "jo", me fitore shume te dyshimte, 51-49 %.

Harbutellek i gjalle, doren ketu se e meriton voten time, o ti o ti.

 

[Ameliè]

Hmmm pa dalur shume nga tema se ka dhe tema ku diskutohet efekti teknologjise, nuk do gjykoja, edhe teknologjia edhe natyra kane avantazhet dhe dezavantazhet....i ke dhe kto te perpunuara ne nje film te Miyazakit, Princess Mononoke

Epo e thashe une qe ketu dukesh qe je me e vecanta.

Qe tani te them une ty psh nje disavantazh i teknologjise eshte pikerisht ky forum.

 

[katsune]

sa jemi te paradokset, @gurax lexo kete

A baby girl is mysteriously dropped off at an orphanage in Cleveland in 1945. “Jane” grows up lonely and dejected, not knowing who her parents are, until one day in 1963 she is strangely attracted to a drifter.

She falls in love with him, but just when things are looking up for Jane a series of disasters strikes: First, she becomes pregnant by the drifter, who then disappears. Second, during the complicated delivery doctors discover that Jane has both sets of sex organs, and to save her life, they most surgically convert “her” to a “him.” Finally, a mysterious stranger kidnaps her baby from the delivery room.

Reeling from these disasters, rejected from society, scorned by fate, “he” becomes a drunkard and a drifter. Not only has Jane lost her parents and her lover, but he has lost his only child as well. Years later, in 1970, he stumbles into a lonely bar, called Pop’s Place, and spills out his pathetic story to an elderly bartender. The sympathetic bartender offers the drifter the chance to avenge the stranger who left her pregnant and abandoned, on the condition that he join the “time traveller corps.” Both of them enter a time machine and the bartender drops the drifter off in 1963. The drifter is strangely attracted to a young orphan girl, who subsequently becomes pregnant.

The bartender then goes forward 9 months, kidnaps the baby girl from the hospital, and drops the baby off in an orphanage back in 1945. Then the bartender drops off the thoroughly confused drifter in 1985, to enlist in the time traveller corps. The drifter eventually gets his life together and becomes respected and elderly member of the time traveller corps, and then disguises himself as a bartender and has his most difficult mission: a date with destiny, meeting a certain drifter at Pop’s Place in 1970.

nderkohe qe po lexoja kete po mendoja me veten "ku e kam degjuar me pare kete histori?" pastaj u kujtova qe e kam pare ne kinema, filmi Predestination. e ke pare Aki?

kam pare plot filma te cuditshem deri tani, por te shoh nje person qe me vetedije ben dashuri me vetveten, dhe nga kjo marredhenie lind perseri vetveten, epo kete gje hera e pare qe e kam pare ne kete film...deri ne kete pike e coi paradoksin autori ne film, por fakti qe mund ta bente vetem me vetedije kete gje e beri historine qesharake ne fund.

 

[Aki]

Waw duheshka edhe nje te shtoj ne liste, se paskam pare

Tek filmi nuk e di po nga ajo qe lexova sa kam kuptuar eshte se ky me vone e kupton se ben dashuri me veten, ne fillim vetem ndjen nje terheqje ndaj nje te panjohuri/e, por une me shume e marr si shaka se vertete jo paradoks po absurde shume