Aleksandri i Madh.....

Petroninsja

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Aleksandri i Madh.....

Kohet e fundit Holliwood do te bej nje film artistik per kete hero nderkombetare, ALeksandrin e Madh. Eshte ngritur shume polemika rreth origjines se tij reale, greket e konsiderojne grek, kurse maqedonesit e konsiderojne prone te tyre, cuditerisht tek tuk kam degjuar se ne venat e Aleksandrit rrjedh dhe gjak shqipetare nga fiset Dardane te veriut....
Pyetja qe dua te parashtroj eshte cfare mendoni rreth ketij fenomeni, nga eshte Aleksandri I Madh?
Cdo mendim eshte i pranueshem dhe faktet njekohesisht jane te mirepritura......
 

Mirditor

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Cucesh bre
Kam prit koh tgjat me e lxu qit shkrim tsotshem e nitash nihem i gzuem
Ja bane shum mer si shkrujte per aleksin e madh se mkan than asht prej Mirdite
Qanej ka Dardania bjen ne Mirdita e mqat ven lejn aleksa tmdhej
Qofsh e gzuem moj cuce
Si humin vlerat shqyptarit jooe
 

illyricus

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Me sa e di unë Aleksandri ka pasë gjak ilir prej t'ëmës Olymbias.


PS Sa i përket filmave, janë ma s'paku 3 projekte n'zhvillim e sipër për Aleksandrin - 2 filma artistikë (njani me regjisor Oliver Stone-in e tjetri Buzz Luhrman-in) e ni serial 10 episodësh (producent Mel Gibson).
 

sonora

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Aleksandri i Madh i shte i biri i Filipit,Mbretit te maqedonise (jo Maqedonise se sotme).Emri i tij i vertet eshte Leke!!!Origjina e paster ose e perzier-shqipetar.
 

emssnc@libero.it

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GJaku i Aleksandit eshte 99% shqipetare.
tani skam kohe me e shpjegu ne hollesi, psene'
ta them neser!
P.S po ti mi dreq sprisje dot dhe pak une e
kisha mendu me e hape sot kte temme.
Pafshim!
 

Petroninsja

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Ehh Xhon me i shkathti me i shpejti... /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Dua fakte, nese eshte e mundur ok...
 

Nei

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Nenen e ka pasur dardane..dhe dardanet laheshin dy here ne jete.. doni me per Belulin :goofy:
 

illyricus

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Fillimisht postuar nga *Essenza*:
[qb]dhe dardanet laheshin dy here ne jete..[/qb]
Kur kanë lindë edhe kur janë martu, a po? /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Apo mos ësht' kur kanë lindë edhe kur kanë vdekë...? Pasna harru.. /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

Nei

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Fillimisht postuar nga illyricus:
[qb]
Fillimisht postuar nga *Essenza*:
[qb]dhe dardanet laheshin dy here ne jete..[/qb]
Kur kanë lindë edhe kur janë martu, a po? /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Apo mos ësht' kur kanë lindë edhe kur kanë vdekë...? Pasna harru.. /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif [/qb]
Lindje-martese di une... kaq. :book:
 

illyricus

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Fillimisht postuar nga *Essenza*:
[qb] Lindje-martese di une... kaq. :book: [/qb]
Po po .....mirë e pata herën e parë... /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif aaaaah dardanët e mi. :thumbsup:
 

olti

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There are few places where Alexander the Great's influence has not been felt. His vast empire spread from the Atlantic shores of Spain to the plains of India. His example has been admired and followed for generations to come, and his legacy has been deeply felt by the entire world. It is said that Julius Ceaser himself began to weep as he stood under the shadow of a statue of Alexander the Great, for Alexander had conquered half the world by 19, and Ceaser not even made a name for himself by that age.
And how was he Albanian in any way? Well, first of all Alexander was son of Philip II and Olympia. Olympia, was the princess of Epirus, a province in Northern Greece, considered to be modern day Albania, and an ancient territory of Albanian tribes. This relation of Alexander having Albanian blood is considered somewhat feasible and acceptable by the history books, but we want to stretch out the enigma of Alexander.
Initially there is the question of where and to what people Alexander belonged to. It is known that Alexander the Great, was really Alexander of Macedon, and the current flag of Macedonia is the ancient sun flag of Alexander's army. This seems reasonable, but what really were the "Macedon" people. As stated in the Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia, "the Slavs, occupied much of the area [Balkans] by the 6th century AD", so it cannot be possible for the now largely Slavic Macedonia to be a descendant from Alexander the Great. Slavic tribes did not come into the region of Northern Greece until well after Alexander's death, which leaves only two people left, the Albanians and the Greeks. It is important tot note that the history books have not labeled Alexander Greek, and therefore he can only be Albanian. Albanian tribes are the earliest known to occupy northern Greece, and that allows Alexander only one nationality. Alexander did not have Albanian blood, he was an Albanian. To Albanians this fact seems very clear, for we have named our currency lek, after Leka I Madh.
The Barbaric war style of the Illyrians was deeply rooted in Alexander's spirit, which is good reason for his expertise as a general and a conqueror.
More proof of Alexander's Albanian ancestry would have to be the close relations he had with the King of the Illyrians, practically a man of his own kin. There is an ancient legend that the Illyrian king gave Alexander a large, beastly, dog to commemorate his achievements. The beast was so ferocious, Alexander decided to make it hunt bears. The dog showed no interest in this endeavor and lay lazily without moving. This angered Alexander and he had the dog killed. When the king of the Illyrians heard of this he sent him another dog, this time with a message of "not wasting the dog's time with small things". This time Alexander had the dog fight a lion, which the dog quickly broke the back of, and then an Elephant, who the dog forced off a cliff. The extensive diplomacy between Alexander and the Illyrians only suggests that Alexander was an Albanian himself.
Also, there is the conquered territory of Alexander. When looking at a map of his advances, oddly enough Illirium and Northern Greece is not touched by his armies. Yet, the Illyrian and Northern Greek tribes did not have armies capable of facing the Great Alexander. But Alexander considered them as one, they were all Albanian. Alexander could not possibly conquer his own land. That is why this area remained untouched.
Accepting Alexander's Albanian ancestry opens a vast world of possibilities. There is of course the long Ptolemy dynasty of Egypt that followed after Alexander's death, started by one of Alexander's generals and childhood friend. Accepting Alexander as an Albanian, would mean accepting a big part of Egypt's history to be determined by an Albanian dynasty, that of Ptolemy.
Alexander's genius and accomplishments opened a great chapter in the history of Albania. A chapter that has never been forgotten.
http://albhistory.netfirms.com/famousalbanian s-alexander.html

Shpresoj te qartesoheni /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 

illyricus

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Fillimisht postuar nga 'Neo':
[qb] There are few places where Alexander the Great's influence has not been felt. His vast empire spread from the Atlantic shores of Spain to the plains of India......

....Shpresoj te qartesoheni /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif [/qb]
Megjithëse nuk kom kurrfarë kundërshtimi me atë që shkru'n ma naltë, deri sa e lexoja këte shpresoja se burimi ësht' i hu'j, neutral. :rolleyes:
 

lysien shardon

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Askush s`mund te shprehet realisht per faktin se kujt i perket ai.Por nisur nga fakti se greket ishin qyteterimi me ne ze i kohes pas aleksandriane s`kerkohet logjike teper e madhe te kuptosh faktin e manipulimit te cdo dokumenti te kohes,kjo nisur dhe me idete e shembujve heroik per te rrinjte dhe ushtrine ne ate kohe e me pas.Atyre me shume(nisur nga fakti i mireavancimit ne ate kohe)u duheshin figura te tilla heroike per te mbajtur gjalle frymen heroike te rinise dhe ushtrise.
E VERTETA S`ESHTE MEDOEMOS E THJESHTE.
 

Petroninsja

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Cudterisht historia e cdo kombi qe nga antikiteti deri me sot shkruhet sipas interesave te cdo vendi dhe forcat qe ndikojne ne te...
Ska asgje te prere me thike qe te dihet e verteta e te vertetave, arsyeja qe parashtrova kete pyetje eshte se ne degjojme vetem nje ane te kesaj historie dhe me specifikisht lidhur me Aleksandrin e Madh, ajo qe ai eshte grek sepse eshte e vetmja qe mund te bazohet diku, por skemi degjuar anen tjeter qe ai smund te jete grek...
Prandaj kerkoj mesa dini dhe ckeni degjuar, sigurisht smund te vini jeten ne keto te thena por nga mund te jete vertet Aleksandri i Madh???
 

Sejsej

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Perse nuk flisni realen!
Perse ia fusni sikur ''kau lopes'',Aleksandri i Madh ishte Maqedonas.Ai s'ka te bej fare me Dardani ose Mirdite.Dardania ishte km larg Mirdites,Maqedonia kufizohej me Dardanine;dakort,vogelushe,ku i ke gjetur ato ''dokumenta''qe thone se <<Aleski na ishte dardan>>?.
I thone nje llafe popullore-rri shtrembt e fol drejt-;Historia e lashte dhe historianet me gjeologet e sotem e njohin Aleksandrin e madh si Maqedonas(dikush thote;ai ishte nga Maqedonia e lashte dhe jo ajo e sotmja--brockula qe nje vogelush i flet),ata nuk e njohin as si grek e as si Ilir ose dardan.
Te vjedhesh historin e dikujt duhet te kesh lene gjurme dhe fakte.Ne ate kohe fiset Ilire luftonin njeri tjetrin,po ashtu Dardania luftonte kundra Ilirise.Megjithate zelli i shqiptarit eshte i madh,ne duam te bejme shqiptar cdo figure boterore.
 

manga

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a di kush noj monument a memorial me noj qytet shqyptar qi i asht ngrite lekes s'madh? apo shypet s'kane qytete?
 

Petroninsja

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Sejsel, i dashur si nismetare e temes dhe mesa pashe qe ma kishe lakuar paksa emrin dua te te them qe, seshte se e kam fakt te kryer qe ai mund te kete qene shqipetare ose dicka tjeter, ajo ishte nje hipoteze qe ekam degjuar jo ne nje vend por shume vende, desha te vertetoja nese jam e vetmja qe mendoj keshtu.....
Une e vleresoj mendimin tend, por po ti futesh gjerave ne thellesi Maqedonsit jane fise te ardhura vet nga larg, pra barbare, me mire vijne nga Skandinavia dhe po ta zberdhesh fjalen Maqedonia perkthehet shqip "ma ke dhene" dhurate e mbretit Filip per te birin. Historikisht ai njihet Aleksandri i Maqedonise, dhe nese sdo kishte hipoteza te tilla konkluzioni do ngelte i tille. Prandaj e hapa kete teme, te shoh diskutimin e gjere rreth prejardhjes se mundshme te ketij heroi nderkombetare. Do thuash ti, ne na ngeli ne dore, mbase dhe po, fundja fundit te jesh i/e interesuar ne ceshtje te tilla mund te nxjerresh ne pah aspekte te fshehura skutave...
Dhe do kerkoja dicka, qe mos ja ndrydh opinionin bashkefoleseve, sic ke ti mendimin tend edhe ata kane te tyren....
Ju ftoj serish ne diskutim te gjere......

P.S Skam asnje tendence ta bej Shqiperine djepin e figurave me te ndritura boterore, thjeshte diskutoj nje ceshtje paksa konfuze per spektatorin....
 

manga

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sejse, nese mati e mirdita jane nja n'antikuitet, at'here leka ka t'baje me mirdite; rose wilder lane e ka nji shpjegim n'librin "peaks of shala", ku thote qi olimpia asht prej emadhise (matit), vend qi per nji kohe ka qene edhe kryeqytet i maqedonise...tash, sa ja vlen me u bazue n'ket reference, ky asht tjeter problem...
 

emssnc@libero.it

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-Ajo qe di une eshte qe :
Dardanet ne ate periudhe ishin kapot e Illirise
prandaj eshte absuditet te thuhet qe ata luftonin kunder Ilirise eshte njelloj sikur te thuash qe
ne 97' Tirana luftonte kunder Shqiperise.
Ne Maqedoni jetonin popuj Pellazg dhe zberthimi
i fjales Maqedoni nuk mund te interpretohet
si dhurate e Filipit per te birin se ajo u konsiderua si "shtet" 300 vjet para lindjes se vet Filipit.Aleksandri nuk mund te ishte grek kur vet Filipi(i jati) ne momentet e fames se tij konsiderohej nga greket si "barbare i veriut" dhe babare per greket ishin popujt -jo grek- ose me sakte gjithe popujt qe familja mbreterore nuk vinte nga Atene.Populli i sotem maqedonas rrjedh nga dyndjet sllave(pervec shqipetareve vendas) qe jane bere 7 shekuj me vone se Aleksandri.GJaku i Aleksandrit rrjedh keshtu:

Aleksandri(Leka)

Filipi-i jati Olimpia(Audata)-e jema
Aminta+Euricide Pleurato-? Euricide... Pleurato..... Sirra+Dakrua ?(djali i pare 1)
Dakrua.. ?(djali i pare 1)...
Bardhyli-- MBRETI DARDAN --- Bardhyli
 
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