Ukraina ne shenjester!

Ukraina ne shenjester!

Pas shpalljes se votimeve ne Ukraine ku kandidati i mbeshtetur nga amerikanet humbi, Sekretari i Shtetit Kolin Pauell shpalli se nuk i njeh rezultatet!
Kush i autorizion keta plehra te gjykojne per zgjedhjet ne nje vend i cili eshte vec te tjerash edhe djepi i Rusise?
Po sikur Ukraina te mos njihte zgjedhjet presidenciale amerikane?
A jemi drejt nje krize te madhe midis Rusise dhe USA?
 

109UV

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No no no. kondrapedali ja mori 'termometrin' ne goje yuschenkos dhe nga analiza shkencore, pasi u konsultua me antaresin (dmth i konfirmoi atij vetite bymuese te termometrit te yuschenkos), doli ne perfundimin qe i pelqen te mase temperaturen dhe kur te rritet do te behet infermier.
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
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Fillimisht postuar nga lingling:
[qb] No no no. kondrapedali ja mori 'termometrin' ne goje yuschenkos dhe nga analiza shkencore, pasi u konsultua me antaresin (dmth i konfirmoi atij vetite bymuese te termometrit te yuschenkos), doli ne perfundimin qe i pelqen te mase temperaturen dhe kur te rritet do te behet infermier. [/qb]
Smundja e Viktor Yushchenko është konfirmua të ketë ardhur si rezultat i marrdhënieve seksuale me një emigrant në SH.BA. me pseudonimin Lingling.
Edhe njëherë presidenti rus Putin, përfitoi nga rasti të evidentonte degjenerimin e shoqërisë perëndimere si dhe futjen e saj në Lindje.
- Ukraina duhet të qëndrojë e pastër nga këto mikrobe të cilat në një të ardhme të shkurtër mund të infektojnë edhe Rusinë- tha Putin. :tipsy:
 

Indulgence

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Ncuq, ncuq, ncuq... pa mbeshtetjen (d.m.th. vrerin) e Antares, Kondrapedali ngelet vetem nje ze i holle e i vetmuar, ngelet vetem nje ndihmesmjek :tipsy: sic e tha dhe miku im LingLing...

P.S. O where, o where is Anteates these days :confused:
 

aspahiual

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Fillimisht postuar nga OROSHI:
[qb] O Kondra/Antares,me mire nen Evrope/Amerike sesa nen nje vend (Rusi)qe vetem skeletin e ka kockemadh,sipas jush ne kete problem qenkan bere bashke Evropa dhe Amerika :confused: ,Arushes se semure te Siberise i duhen hequr dhembet nje nga nje,deri tani i jane hequr rreth 10-12 dhembe /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ,une jam per nje Evrope te forte ku te kete nen kontroll te saj Rusine.Nje politikan Anglez ka thene:rreziku me i madh per njerzimin eshte Rusia!! [/qb]
Po mor po,shume dhembe i kane hequr por duhet te kemi kujdes se mos po ja fut ndonje pordhe ajo arusha e Siberise e na hengri dreqi neve pastaj...

Fillimisht postuar nga OROSHI:
[qb]une jam per nje Evrope te forte ku te kete nen kontroll te saj Rusine[/qb]
:lol: :lol: ti thua te kete lepuri nen kontroll arushen,kshu thua? :lol: :lol:
 

gurax

Pan ignoramus
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Mr^AMD, tak lladna anji njicivo nje znajut. Ti tam, davaj paskazhi dla Ukrainii. /pf/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Se dola nga tema. /pf/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 

aspahiual

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Fillimisht postuar nga Gurax:
[qb] Mr^AMD, tak lladna anji njicivo nje znajut. Ti tam, davaj paskazhi dla Ukrainii. /pf/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Se dola nga tema. /pf/images/graemlins/tongue.gif [/qb]
Eto prosta oxyet...vse xotyat zabrat'.Ukraina prinadlejit Rossiyu i mi ne sobiraemsya tak prosta otdavat'.. :lol:
 

ledioni

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Ukrahina nuk eshte vene ne shenjester por eshte nje vend i percare, ku pjesa lindore ortodokse historikisht ka perkrahur Rusine, ndersa pjesa perendimore uniate historikisht ka perkrahur Perendimin. Keto zgjedhje e u zhvilluan vetem e thelluan me shume kete ndarje. ukrahina ose do te ndahet, ose do te vazhdoje te jete keshtu si eshte: nje vend i percare dhe plot probleme.
 

OROSHI

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Na mbyten keta filo-Ruset e forumit(nuk e bejne se e duan shume nenen Rusi,por vetem "per inat te sime vjehrre do shkoj te fle me mullixhiun" ) :tipsy: ,ju keni ngelur akoma tek vitet '50 jo Rusia keshtu e jo Rusia ashtu,nje mut eshte Rusia,Perendimi ka punu 50 vjet rresht per te pasur nje Rusi ngordhalaqe ne shekullin XXI /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ,sikur ta dinit ju politiken qe po perdore Amerika me Rusine,do kishit kerkuar takim special me Putinin /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif .Amerika vazhdon te jete si gjithmone shum e angazhuar ne dobesimin e metejshem te Rusise,dhe deri tani ia ka arritur per bukuri.Edhe pak vite dhe ne do shohim nje Rusi te Mbreteruar nga Car Putini,i cili,sikur pasardhesit e vet,do pranoje me mire nje Rusi ku te jete ai Cari i padiskutueshem,sesa nje Rusi moderne-demokratike ku Ruset e dreqit te jetojne ne menyre njerezore!!Kjo eshte politika Amerikane e cila nuk mund te kuptohet nga njerez kopjues gazetash si puna e Antaresit me Guraxin /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Gurax,sa per pune te Anglishtes,une i di ca gjuhe te tjera sa te lexoj ndonje shkrim pro-Amerikan /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif ,ndersa persa i perket shkrimeve te tipit komunisto-Hoxhist :tipsy: nuk me nevojiten :wave:
 

antares

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Banditokracia e aplikuar ne Rusi me pijanecin Jelcin ku cifutet (Khodorovski, Gusinski, Abrahamovic, Berezovski etc etc) ose sic i quajne ruset "oligarket", me ndihmen e USA dhe krahut te saj FMN, arriten te blene per 5 lek pasurite kombetare te Rusise po perfundon!
Ne Rusi me ne fund erdhi ne pushtet nje patriot i vertete (Putini) i cili ka dhe mbeshtetjen e 70% te popullsise.
Sigurisht qe Jankite do pellasin me egersi kunder "perbindeshit" Putin se nuk po i lejon te grabisin pasurite (naften, gazin, mineralet etj) sic bene deri tani.
Mos u bej merak Yrysh se "Mema" Rusi ka pare kundershtare shume me te fuqishem dhe te denje (Osmanllinjte, Francen, Gjermanine) dhe ka mbijetuar e fituar!
Pse kujton more Yrysh trimi se qelbesirat Janki qe iken duke u kacavjerre si majmune nga Sajgoni dhe po flasin me vete ne Irak kane kellqe per Rusine?
Cfare do ti bejne nje patrioti qe nuk e shet veten dhe atdheun e tij per dollare apo dhrahmi si ben Nanoja yt pro-amerikan e pro-grek?
Asgje!
Do kujisin ca (energjia eshte drejt nacionalizimit sa per dijeni!) per mos zbatimin e hajdutokracise apo sic thote Putini per "kapitalizmin kaubojs" po ne fund do te rrine si muter!
Guxon Europa te beje lodren e kaubojsave te Teksasit? (gjykata amerikane merr vendime per naften Ruse!), Ok! Le ta blene naften nga Jankite sa frengu pulen se Putini ja shet naften Kines!
Pra Yrysh i dashur, jo me kaq yrysh!
 

OROSHI

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Po plako,e ke gjet,Nano pro-Amerikan /pf/images/graemlins/tongue.gif ,Nano eshte pro-edhe-me -djallin vec te arrije qellimet e tija.Opozita Ukrainase tashme eshte bere e vetdijshme:mjaft me me krietare :smash: te zgjedhur ne Moske.Persa i perket "terheqjeve" te ushtareve Amerikane ne Saigon apo diku tjeter,ne ushtri eshte motoja:kush nuk di te terhiqet nuk di te fitoje.Ndersa ti Antares me politiken tende alla Zhan Kretien na e ktheve Kanadane nga nje vend me ndikimin me te madh(mbas Amerikes)ne politikat nderkombetare,ne nje vend-treg ku shitet vetem peshk,edhe ai i cilesise se dobet. :goofy:
 

ados

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Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Jashte temes kjo..Mu kujtua ai gjenerali rus tek nje film shqiptar qe thoshte....Do ta kerkojme Vloren gjeneral do ta kerkojme , ..do te bredhim si cifutet neper shkretetire..
Vlora e para, afganistani,gjithe republikat sovjetike,cecenia, ukrania. Edhe nje here ne rusi vetem moska dhe shen peterburgu do ngelin mbas nja 10 vjeteve!!
 

antares

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Dhe kjo nuk te ben te mendohesh ty Ados? Pikerisht se po ndodh keshtu duhet pasur me shume frike. Ariu eshte i tmerrshem atehere kur plagoset, a ke degjuar ndonjehere se si lufton arusha kur i kercenohen kelyshet? Po pse c'i kujton ruset ti more pafillo, shqiptare qe qurraviten europes duke u hequr si kosovare, apo kosovare qe veshin brekushe dhe fustan per tu dukur si gra qe t'ja mbathin nga serbet si pulat nga dhelpra?
A po ne jemi trima per te vrare njerez te pafajshem ne Afganistan e Irak! Dhe gjithmone me metoden e jevgut "Fshihu mbas gaxhoit!".
E pra une te kujtoj qe diten kur Rusia do te ndodhet me fytyre nga Natoja dhe me shpine nga Peterburgu apo Moska do te jete dhe dita e fundit e jetes tendja dhe timja bashke, do te jete dita kur 25 000 bomba atomike (arsenali i sotem Rus) do pikojne nga qielli, do te jete dita kur bota do te shoje "driten e bardhe"!
Atehere shpreso qe te ndodhesh sa me afer drites.....se fati i atyre qe do shpetojne do te jete 1000 here me i zi se i atyre qe do vdesin menjehere!
 

gurax

Pan ignoramus
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Orosh, persa i perket kopimit te gazetave, edhe mua me vjen keq qe ti dhe disa te tjere ketu keni mberritur ne fazen qe vetem keshtu bindeni qe ato qe themi nuk jane fantazi pas seancash rakie. Sa here qe une kam shkruar me fjalet e mia ate informacion qe kam marre lidhur me dicka, me shume se nje here kam patur reagime femijenore te llojit "e ku e di ti, ke qene ndonjehere ne Irak ti? Po me amerikanet ke folur nonjehere? Keto qe shkruan jane shpifje dhe inat!"
Jo more mik jo! Historia duhet pare me sy kritik se gjithmone perseritet. Dhe oportunizmi ne kete rast eshte virtyt i diskutueshem dhe te uroj ne fakt qe mos jesh ne pozicionin e subjektit te ketij diskutimi. Shihi me kujdes disa aleanca afatshkurtra dhe me interes imediat dhe mendo per pasojat e mundshme, se do e gjesh veten nonje te diele te martuar dhe me nje grua me barre qe e takove te shtunen ne darke ne diskoteke. /pf/images/graemlins/tongue.gif "Mireseerdhe ne Amerike" do te te them po e bere kete gje. /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif


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"I'm in awe, Lennier. The way you can take a straightforward, logical proposition and turn it inside-out so that in the end it says .. what you want it to say instead of what it actually means. Does this come naturally or did you .. attend some special martial arts class for the philosophically inclined?" -- Marcus, Babylon 5
 

S6T6N6

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Ukraine's Yushchenko Declares Victory

27 minutes ago Europe - AP


By ALEKSANDAR VASOVIC, Associated Press Writer

KIEV, Ukraine - Opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko on Monday celebrated his apparently decisive triumph in the re-run of Ukraine's fraud-filled presidential election, thanking the protesters who spent weeks camped out in the capital's frigid streets for securing his electoral victory and the nation's freedom.


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Three exit polls gave him a 15 to 20 percentage point lead over pro-Russian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych. The official count gave the Western-leaning Yushchenko a 52.7 to 43.5 percent lead with ballots from 95 percent of the precincts counted from Sunday's election.


Results were trickling in slowly from two regions — Luhansk and Mykolaiv — both in pro-Yanukovych territory in eastern Ukraine. Central Election Commission chairman Yaroslav Davydovych appealed to election workers to do their jobs.


"Put political issues aside. The state is waiting for results," he said.


Yushchenko claimed victory Sunday's voting.


"Now, today, the Ukrainian people have won. I congratulate you," he told a jubilant crowd in Kiev's Independence Square, the center of massive protests following the Nov. 21 presidential runoff that was annulled after fraud allegations.


"We have been independent for 14 years but we were not free," Yushchenko said. "Now we can say this is a thing of the past. Now we are facing an independent and free Ukraine."


Still, he was not taking chances. He called his supporters back out onto the square on Monday afternoon to defend the election victory, and asked their help in what he called the main task facing the nation: forming a government that would be trusted.


Some 12,000 foreign observers had watched Sunday's unprecedented third round to help prevent a repeat of the apparent widespread fraud on Nov. 21 that sparked massive protests after Yanukovych was declared the winner.


Both campaigns complained of violations, but Central Election Commission chairman Yaroslav Davydovych said neither the candidates nor their official representatives had lodged protests. Monitors said they'd seen far fewer problems this round, when 77.22 percent of registered voters turned out.


"This is another country," said Stefan Mironjuk, a German election monitor observing the vote in the northern Sumy region. "The atmosphere of intimidation and fear during the first and second rounds was absent ... It was very, very calm."


The new atmosphere was reflected in the comparatively small number of Yushchenko backers who poured into the square to hear his victory speech — in contrast with the tens of thousands who had thronged it earlier in the crisis.


About 5,000 applauded and set off fireworks. They waved bright orange flags — his campaign's emblematic color — and clasped hands and danced.


"Today we began to live! Today, we rose off our knees and showed ourselves and the world that our future can't be dictated to us. We will dictate it," said Olga Drik, 21, a Kiev student, who had covered her purse in orange ribbons.


Earlier, Yushchenko told journalists and others crammed into his orange-bedecked campaign headquarters that Ukraine was beginning "a new political life" that would include neither current President Leonid Kuchma nor Yanukovych, the prime minister and candidate whom Kuchma had hand-picked as his successor.


"I am convinced that it is fashionable to be a citizen of Ukraine. It is stylish. It is beautiful. Three or four months ago, few people knew where Ukraine was; today, almost the whole world starts its day from thinking about what is happening in Ukraine," Yushchenko said.


Even before the exit poll results were announced, a glum-looking Yanukovych told reporters that "if there is a defeat, there will be a strong opposition." But he did not concede and hinted he would challenge the results in the courts.




"We will defend the rights of our voters by all legal means," he said.

Voters faced a crucial choice at the election. Ukraine, a nation of 48 million people, is caught between the eastward-expanding European Union (news - web sites) and NATO (news - web sites), and an increasingly assertive Russia, its former imperial and Soviet-era master.

Yushchenko, a former Central Bank chief and prime minister, wants to bring Ukraine closer to the West and advance economic and political reform. The Kremlin-backed Yanukovych emphasizes tightening the Slavic country's ties with Russia as a means of maintaining stability.

The political crisis has also cast a spotlight on the rift between Ukraine's Russian-speaking, heavily industrial east and cosmopolitan Kiev and the west, where Ukrainian nationalism runs deep. Yanukovych backers fear discrimination by the Ukrainian-speaking west, and some eastern regions briefly threatened to seek autonomy if Yushchenko won the presidency.

Yushchenko, whose face remains badly scarred from dioxin poisoning he blamed on Ukrainian authorities, has built on the momentum of round-the-clock protests that echoed the spirit of the anti-Communist revolutions that swept other East European countries in 1989-90.

"Thousands of people that were and are at the square were not only waiting for this victory but they were creating it," Yushchenko said. "In some time, in a few years, they'll be able to utter these historic words: Yes, this is my Ukraine and I am proud that I am from this country."


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antares

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Kukllave te CIA-s po u vjen mendja verdalle ne Ukraine! Nenteksti i rubinetave: Naften kerkojani padroneve tuaj ne Uashington!


OIL CONFLICT IN UKRAINE: TIMOSHENKO'S PHYRRIC VICTORY

MOSCOW (RIA Novosti political commentator Yulia Yurova) - The new Ukrainian authorities cannot find a common language with Russian companies working in Ukraine.

The confrontation has grown in the past few days owing to a fuel crisis.

Relations between Ukraine's top officials and Russian companies started to become more tense after the new president, Viktor Yushchenko, spoke about the need to review the results of privatization in early spring. Prime Minister Yulia Timoshenko added fuel to the flames by saying that the Ukrainian government and the Prosecutor General's Office would initiate a review of the closed criminal cases on privatization of nearly 3,000 facilities.

Nobody knows who will be put on this black list, which is to include 29 facilities. The lack of information has put all Russian companies on edge. It is rumored that Ukrtatnafta, which owns the Kremenchug refinery and is controlled by Russia's Tatneft, may be on the de-privatization list. The Lisichansk refinery owned by TNK-BP Ukraine may have problems too and Russia's SuAl, which owns the Zaporozhye aluminum works, is also worried.

In this nervous situation, the Ukrainian authorities took a shocking decision to introduce fixed state prices of petroleum. This amounts to a ban on oil traders raising the selling prices of fuel by more than 13% of the price set by Ukraine's Economics Ministry this year, though fuel consumption and hence prices traditionally grow in the agrarian Ukraine in spring and summer.

The target is clearly Russian companies TNK-BP, LUKoil, Tatneft and Alyans Group, which are the leaders on Ukaine's fuel market. When the oil majors tried to contend the decision as a non-market method, they were warned that Ukraine's antimonopoly committee had opened a case on charges of non-competitive collusion between LINOS, TNK-BP Ukraine, LUKoil Ukraine, LITASKO Ukraine and LUKoil Odessa Refinery, and a case against TNK-Ukraine Trading House on charges of abuse of the monopoly situation on the petrochemicals market. These companies may face a fine of up to 10% of their 2004 revenues.

However, the short, victorious war did not materialize. The oil companies stopped complaining and promised to contain the growth of fuel prices. But in early May they curtailed oil deliveries to Ukraine and on May 16 introduced a limit of 10 liters per vehicle at the filling stations of TNK-BP Ukraine and LUKoil Ukraine.

From the economic viewpoint, the Russian companies acted correctly: to cut their losses provoked by the commitment to deliver oil to Ukraine at prices below global ones, they decided to provoke price growth by limiting supplies. According to market rules, stable high demand sends prices up.

However, the Ukrainian authorities view this measure as a malicious insult rather than the economic result of their policy. Timoshenko was so outraged that she accused Russia of blocking fuel deliveries to Ukraine for several days.

Did Timoshenko have any chances of winning? She knew, and admitted as much, that Russian companies control 90% of the Ukrainian petrochemicals market. But she refuses to publicly admit mistakes in her policy.

Vladimir Zharikhin, the deputy director of the Institute for the CIS, said even if the Russian companies were to be deprived of everything they have in Ukraine, Russia would not suffer economically. But Ukraine would not benefit from such highway methods either, because the democratic image of the new authorities would become less attractive in the eyes of investors.

Time is clearly on Moscow's side, because the new Kiev authorities are coming to see how closely the Ukrainian economy is integrated with Russia's. The transit of Russian gas and oil across Ukraine is a major item of revenues for the Ukrainian budget. So, transforming the dispute with the Russian oil majors into an international conflict will not benefit either side.
 
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