Ukraina ne shenjester!

Ukraina ne shenjester!

Pas shpalljes se votimeve ne Ukraine ku kandidati i mbeshtetur nga amerikanet humbi, Sekretari i Shtetit Kolin Pauell shpalli se nuk i njeh rezultatet!
Kush i autorizion keta plehra te gjykojne per zgjedhjet ne nje vend i cili eshte vec te tjerash edhe djepi i Rusise?
Po sikur Ukraina te mos njihte zgjedhjet presidenciale amerikane?
A jemi drejt nje krize te madhe midis Rusise dhe USA?
 

OROSHI

Primus registratum
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Antares,prap me kepucen e Kondras ti?, /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
parlamenti Ukrainas kontestoi zgjedhjet,edhe nje fitore tjeter per Ameriken!!!
 

korn83

Forumium praecox
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

po te pakten antaresi e pranon qe eshte gjithsesi kundra amerikes,eshte e sinqerte...ç'ti besh te tjereve qe na shpikin lloj lloj dokrrash per te justifikuar faktin qe jane KONDRA amerikes... /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

OROSHI

Primus registratum
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

si puna e bicikletes me pedal kontra /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Fillimisht postuar nga KoRn 83:
[qb] po te pakten antaresi e pranon qe eshte gjithsesi kundra amerikes,eshte e sinqerte...ç'ti besh te tjereve qe na shpikin lloj lloj dokrrash per te justifikuar faktin qe jane KONDRA amerikes... /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif [/qb]
Kush nuk ka men e durim, ka armë! Fjalë e urtë popullore e kohëve të fundit. Ti o curri vogël nuk din as të ironizosh e jo më të mbushësh mendje. Gjithë argumentat e tua pro-amerikane janë propaganda e bërë vetë nga SH.B.A. Po ta përsëris, SH.B.A është një perandori (tërthorazi e kam cilësuar të tillë në shkrimet e mia) dhe si e tillë sigurisht ka të mirat e saj. E the edhe vetë që nuk është perfekte. Unë të them që pa kritikë nuk ka përparim, përmirësim të asaj që nuk ecën si duhet ti thua që të pëlqen të shohësh Amerikën. E shikon se nuk jam unë anti-amerikan por je ti një ko.qe amerikan me bindje (qorrazi) dhe që beson se do vijë kalorësi dhe do vrasi kuçedrën?
Ke mangësi të tepërta për të debatuar dhe më e keqja është se nuk ke as dëshirën për të mësuar më shumë /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif . Sikur të paktën të kishe aftësinë dhe njerëzinë e të debatuarit, si Oroshi p.sh, mund edhe të vazhdonim këtë temë ngjethëse të realitetit. Fatkeqësisht ty s'të interesin realiteti por vetëm partizanlliku! :shrug:
 

antares

Primus registratum
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Ne fakt une e kam vene re prej kohesh qe me Oroshin kam pikpamje te kunderta ne shumicen e ceshtjeve, po sidoqofte kur ke te besh me nje njeri qe kupton shakane e di te beje shaka si dhe qe di te flase e te degjoje (eshte e drejta e tij e plote te ruaje pikpamjet e tij), atehere debati ecen ne menyre te njerezishme. Fatkeqesisht ka te tjere qe jane gatuar ndryshe!
 

korn83

Forumium praecox
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

ndofta une nuk di te ironizoj,por ama kondra na qenka fyer ama /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif i paska djegur /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif pasi une vazhdoj te bej shaka.pastaj o antares e harrove ti historine e krapit???mua me duket se nuk i nisa une nervat apo jo???? /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Fillimisht postuar nga KoRn 83:
[qb] ndofta une nuk di te ironizoj,por ama kondra na qenka fyer ama /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif i paska djegur /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif pasi une vazhdoj te bej shaka.pastaj o antares e harrove ti historine e krapit???mua me duket se nuk i nisa une nervat apo jo???? /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif [/qb]
:eek: :confused:

Mësuesi ka dhuntinë më të mirë në botë. Durimin dhe qetësinë (ou paska dy) :wink: . /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

antares

Primus registratum
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

A po krapi
Rroft Krapi!
Zoti e bekoft krapin!
Jam shum i gzum ** po .......
 

antares

Primus registratum
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Ja si e sheh nje ish-ambasador anglez kete ceshtje, po te merrni mundimin ta lexoni do te shihni se ka akoma njerez te arsyeshem ne kete bote......


Peter Unwin:
Putin should keep his nose out of Ukraine. So should we

28 November 2004

Imagine an election in Mexico that produces a president favourable to the United States, as elections there have done for 70 years now. But this time international observers, God forbid, detect electoral abuse. Vladimir Putin demands a recount, a rerun. Consider the outcry in the US. Unthinkable? Not really. Has there ever been a really fraud-free election in Mexico?

Now consider Ukraine. For 70 years it was an intrinsic part of the Soviet Union and for centuries before that Kiev was inseparably twinned with Moscow. In 1991 it made its dash for independence. In doing so it shattered the assumptions on which the old Soviet economy and Soviet defence were built. Moscow and Kiev then tried laboriously to divide the old Soviet Union's assets between them. Over such difficult issues as nuclear weapons and the Soviet Black Sea fleet they found solutions the world approved. Their economic problems that remain can be solved only if they work together. So if any outsider has a legitimate interest in the outcome of the Ukrainian elections, President Putin does.

But was not Putin trying to prop up an unconscionable dictator? Maybe, but it is naive to think that the election was a clear clash of baddies and goodies. No one disputes that the election was at the very least deeply flawed. But it is childishness to imagine that all the abuse was on one side. Yulia Tymoshenko, for example, whom we saw on TV preaching democracy beside Viktor Yushchenko, made herself a billionaire from nothing in 10 years. The fruit of honest enterprise alone? It seems unlikely. A truly convinced democrat? Perhaps.

All the same, the Ukrainians invited in observers who have condemned the outcome of the election in forthright terms. The next move is the Ukrainians'. But for the West to go eyeball to eyeball with Putin over the outcome merely complicates Ukraine's domestic problems and takes East-West relations back a dangerous step to the bad old days. By all means tell Putin privately to keep his nose out of Ukrainian affairs - and keep our own out too.

While we are about it, we might make an effort to see Ukraine and the world through Putin's eyes. His job is to make Russia rich and strong. To do so he needs neighbours who want to co-operate with him. But in the past five years he has seen most of eastern Europe absorbed into the European Union and Nato. Fifteen years ago the Russians had an army on the Elbe. Now Nato's reach extends to within 100 miles of St Petersburg. Must Putin now ask proud Russians to accept that Ukraine too should go down that path: new elections this year, then Nato bases, then European Union membership by 2020?

For that is the road Ukraine will take if the electoral result is reversed. A new regime in Ukraine brought into power by the Western support and pressure we have seen would be bound to seek EU and Nato membership. Having intervened so egregiously in Ukrainian affairs, the West would be hard put to say no. Yet Moscow could see Nato bases in Ukraine only as a mortal threat to Russia. And with Ukraine as an EU member, Putin would see the end of his last hope of building an economic community out of the ruins of the Soviet Union.

Look at all this, lastly, in terms of western Europe's interests. Do we really want to see the EU take in 50 million Ukrainians as well as 70 million Turks? Do we want a union so disparate that it can never make itself effective as a political voice in tomorrow's world? Do we, for that matter, want an EU facing an implacably hostile Russia, hostile to us because we have so recklessly forced our way into Russia's back yard? American neo-cons may want that, but we should not.

It is time for Britain and for western Europe to get real. For too long now we have gone along with the idea that spreading democracy on our terms is all good. Where there is a real demand for it, we should do what we can to help; but democracy that grows out of the barrels of Western guns will not endure. And we have to factor in other, more old-fashioned considerations too - the need for stability in international relations, for one, the stability that comes from respecting your opponent's interests as well as your own. Acceptance of diversity, for another, of the fact that the whole world does not want to be emptied into an Anglo-Saxon mould. Acceptance, finally, of the reality that in the long run only home-grown solutions to ancient political and social problems will stick.

Peter Unwin was British ambassador to Hungary in the mid-1980s, and is the author of 'Baltic Approaches and Where East Met West'
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

O Antares, këta nuk e marrin vesht SHQIP ti po ja servir në anglisht. Këto lloj njerëzish nuk kanë hallin e të mirës ata janë thjesht me mentalitetin e kaubojsave (drejtësia primitive) apo të Xheki Chang ku asnji nuk vritet asnjëher! Nuk kanë haber nga politika dhe aq më pak njohuri nga historia. Nuk e dinë që kjo e fundit ka aq variante sa ka edhe të interesuar!
 

gurax

Pan ignoramus
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Meqe po flitet se kujt i intereson cfare, do te permendja faktin qe

Several countries in the former Soviet bloc have lined up behind Russia in endorsing the disputed result of Ukraine's presidential election.


Disa shtete te ish bllokut te Bashkimit sovjetik jane rreshtuar perkrah Rusise per te dhene fjalen e tyre per sa i perket zgjedhjeve te diskutuara presidenciale ne Ukraine.

Permenden Bjellorusia, Kazakistani, Uzbekistani, Kirghistani.
Armenia dhe Azerbajxhani deklaruan se ajo qe eshte e rendesishme eshte ruajtja e stabilitetit dhe bashkimit ne Ukraine.
Moldavia u shpreh se kishte rezerva per sa i perket ecurise se procesit zgjedhor, ndersa Gjerorgjia ndihej mjaft krenare qe mbeshtetesit e opozites ne Kiev valevisnin flamure gjeorgjiane.

Lajmi i plote mund te lexohet ketu

Askujt nuk i intereson shkallezimi i situates ne Ukraine. Ndoshta vetem atyre qe do te donin te largonin vemendjen boterore nga tjeterkund...


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"I'm in awe, Lennier. The way you can take a straightforward, logical proposition and turn it inside-out so that in the end it says .. what you want it to say instead of what it actually means. Does this come naturally or did you .. attend some special martial arts class for the philosophically inclined?" -- Marcus, Babylon 5
 

antares

Primus registratum
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Jo Gurax! e nenvlefteson seriozitetin e ngjarjeve ne Ukraine! Duket si e cuditeshme po une dhe shumekush e konsiderojme kete gje shume me serioze se edhe Iraku. Pra nuk besoj se eshte bere per te shmangur vemendjen nga Iraku (eshte pasoje anesore pozitive per jankite sigurisht), ketu kemi te bejme me kercenimin dhe sfiden me te madhe qe i behet Rusise qe ne 1989!
Me vjen keq per ata budallenj te shitur qe dalin pro kandidatit pro-perendimor se me kujtohen shqiptaret e gjore qe votonin trumba-trumba per socialistet qe Nanoja tu kthente paret e humbura ne bixhoz!
Ja ku eshte sot Shqiperia!
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Eh, Antares, besoj se është lojë e SH.B.A për të patur dorë të lirë me Iranin. Kërcënon në derë të Rusisë që kjo e fundit mos t'i nxjerrë avaze më pas. Sigurisht që Rusi do mbajë me çdo kusht Ukrainën por për Iranin nuk jam shumë i sigurt!
 

gurax

Pan ignoramus
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Une nuk e nenvleftesoj situaten ne Ukraine, Antares. Me ate postim doja me teper te nxirrja ne pah (duke patur parasysh dhe vendosjen gjeografike) se rreth e rrotull rrajonit asnje nga vendet nuk do nje shkrepse qe te ndeze fucite e depozituara te barutit. Turkmenistani ka vije te gjate kufitare me Iranin, dhe ende nuk ka dhene asnje deklarate. Moldavia eshte ne zonen Rumune dhe ne procese te shumta ndryshimesh ekonomike dhe ndihmash nga perendimi dhe natyrisht preferon te mbaje nje qendrim "ende te paqarte dhe me rezerva". Gjerorgjia krenare per opoziten eshte kufitare me Armenine dhe Azerbajxhanin, cuditerisht keto te dyja qe u shprehen per rendesine e stabilitetit ne Ukraine duke eliminuar ngjyrat politike. Gjithashtu Gjeorgjia eshte ngjitur me Turqine, nje bunker strategjik. Dhe tere kjo mase shtetesh ndodhet ne veri te Iranit.

Shume vendime politike jane te lidhura ngushte me pozicionin gjeografik qe zene ne rrajon. Dhe pikerisht prej kesaj situata qe mund te linde ne Ukraine ka me teper rendesi sesa thjesht nje manipulim zgjedhjesh.


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"I'm in awe, Lennier. The way you can take a straightforward, logical proposition and turn it inside-out so that in the end it says .. what you want it to say instead of what it actually means. Does this come naturally or did you .. attend some special martial arts class for the philosophically inclined?" -- Marcus, Babylon 5
 

antares

Primus registratum
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Ne fakt ketu nuk me kishte shkuar mendja (Irani) po ama nga ana tjeter Irani sapo ka nenshkruar nje marrveshje gjiganda me Kinen (flitet per 100 miljard $) dhe edhe nese Rusia do merret me zjarrin ne pragun e shtepise, Kina nuk do te rrije teresisht pasive ndaj rrezikut te poshtimit te Iranit. Ka disa muaj qe Kina po tregohet shume aktive (ekonomikisht) ne berje marrveshjes e blerje resursesh (nafte ne Iran, Zing ne Kube, miniera ne kanada e ne Brazil etj etj). Mos harroni se Kina tashme konsumon kaq shume nafte sa nga nje eksportues para disa vitesh eshte bere importuesi i dyte en bote si shtet mbas USA.
Sa per Ukrainen Brzhezhinski (ish keshilltar i Sigurimit Kombetar, arkitekt i invazionit Rus ne Afganistan), prej kohesh ka platformen e vet. Shikoni se cfare mendon per Ukrainen dhe disa pika te tjera te nxehta!
Eshte artikull vertet interesant!


Brzezinski: Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian power
Cold War crisis in Ukraine
Control of oil, key Grand Chessboard 'pivot' at stake


By: Larry Chin

November 26, 2004


The bitterly disputed Ukrainian presidential election, and the crisis that is exploding in the wake of the contested outcome, has reignited Cold War and a new round of East-West conflict over control of Eurasian/Caspian/Black Sea energy.

Against the backdrop of Peak Oil (also check energy-related coverage in From The Wilderness), this conflict could well decide the geo-resource direction of the planet itself.

Amidst reports of election irregularities, Moscow-backed Viktor Yanukovych, who supports stronger ties with Russia, declared himself the winner over pro-Western opposition leader Viktor Yushchekno, in defiance of shrill and aggressive opposition and open threats from the West and the Bush administration.

In an example of off-the-scale hubris and irony, outgoing US Secretary of State Colin Powell—representing an illegitimate Bush administration that itself stole a presidential election through fraud and abuse just weeks ago—declared that "we cannot accept this result as legitimate because it does not meet international standards and because there has not been an investigation of the numerous and credible reports of fraud and abuse."

The camps of both candidates have asserted victory, while accusing the other of staging a coup and inciting civil unrest. Intelligence operatives and provocateurs on all sides are undoubtedly working in high gear. In activity undoubtedly supported by the CIA and Western intelligence, thousands of "opposition supporters" remain in the streets, pressing their claim that the election was stolen, and threatening violence. Yushchenkno has called for a national strike. There are also allegations, still unconfirmed, that Yushchenko was poisoned, and that he suffers from a "mystery illness." Yushchenko's camp is even calling for a Supreme Court intervention. Shades of Bush's 2000 election theft.

Why does Ukraine merit such furious and violent scrambling by the various parties? Whichever powers manage to prevail will hold the key to the control of Eurasian oil and energy, the political control of the Eurasian corridor itself, and the survival of Russia as a nation.

Ukraine: Key Square on the "Grand Chessboard"

Zbigniew Brzezinski's 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives has served as a blueprint for world dictatorship, and an incriminating predictor of post-9/11 world conflict. Against today's explosive headlines, Brzezinski's words are, once again, nightmarishly relevant:

"Geopolitical pivots are the states whose importance is derived not from their power and motivation but rather from their sensitive location and from the consequences of their potentially vulnerable condition for the behavior of geostrategic players. Most often, geopolitical pivots are determined by their geography, which in some cases gives them a special role in either defining access to important areas or in denying resources to a significant player my emphasis-LC."

"Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots . . .

"Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire. Russia without Ukraine can still strive for imperial status, but it would then become a predominantly Asian imperial state, more likely to be drawn into debilitating conflicts with aroused Central Asians, who would then be supported by their fellow Islamic states to the south.

"However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.

"Ukraine's determination to preserve its independence was encouraged by external support. In July 1996, the US secretary of defense declared, "I cannot overestimate the importance of Ukraine as an independent country to the security and stability of all of Europe," while in September, the German chancellor . . . went further in declaring that "Ukraine's firm place in Europe can no longer be challenged by anyone . . ."

"Without Ukraine . . . an imperial restoration based on either the CIS Commonwealth of Independent States or on Eurasianism was not a viable option. An empire without Ukraine would eventually mean a Russia that would become more "Asianized" and more remote from Europe.

"The states deserving America's strongest geopolitical support are Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, and (outside this region) Ukraine, all three being geopolitcally pivotal. Indeed, Kiev's role reinforces the argument that Ukraine is the critical state, insofar as Russia's own future evolution is concerned."

Then Brzezinski goes directly at Ukraine's importance to world energy:

"For Ukraine, the central issues are the future character of the CIS and freer access to energy sources, which would lessen Ukraine's dependence on Russia.

"Accordingly, Ukraine has supported Georgia's efforts to become the westward route for Azeri oil exports. Ukraine has also collaborated with Turkey in order to weaken Russian influence in the Black Sea and has supported Turkish efforts to direct oil flows from Central Asia to Turkish terminals.

"Neither the West nor Russia can afford to lose Ukraine to its geostrategic and geoeconomic adversary."

An Even Clearer View of the Conflict

It is critical to view Ukraine within the framework of an energy-rich Eurasian corridor that has been increasingly militarized by the US and the West since the late 1990s, and even more aggressively by the Bush administration under the 9/11/"war on terrorism" pretext. America's Silk Road Strategy (SRS) Act, adopted in 1999, explicitly calls for "strong political, economic and security ties among countries of the South Caucasus and Central Asia."

Ukraine is a key member of the CIS, but more importantly, it is member of the GUUAM (Georgia, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Moldava) military alliance formed under NATO, financed by Western military aid.

There is no more incisive explanation of the current conflict than can be found in Michel Chossudovsky's book War and Globalisation, in which he writes:

"Backed by US military might, the SRS is to open up a vast geographical region to US corporations and financial institutions. The stated purpose is "to promote political and economic liberalization' including the adoption of 'free market reforms' under IMF-World Bank-WTO supervision.

"This GUUAM alliance lies "strategically at the hub of the Caspian oil and gas wealth, with Moldava and the Ukraine offering pipeline export routes to the West.

"Dominated by Anglo-American oil interests, the formation of GUUAM ultimately purports to exclude Russia from the oil and gas deposits in the Caspian area, as well as isolating Moscow politically my emphasis-LC."

"In the context of GUUAM and the SRS, Washington has encouraged the formation of pro-US client states strategically located along oil pipeline routes. The latter are to be "protected" by NATO under GUUAM and various other military cooperation agreements. The hidden agenda is to eventually cut the Russians off altogether from the Caspian oil and gas fields my emphasis-LC.

"With a view to weakening Moscow's control over Caspian oil, several alternative pipeline routes have been envisaged. The Baku-Supsa pipeline—inaugurated in 1999 during the War in Yugoslavia and protected military by GUUAM—totally bypasses Russian territory. The oil is transported by pipeline from Baku to the Georgian port of Supsa, where it is shipped by tanker to the Pivdenny terminal near Odessa in the Ukraine. Both Georgia and Ukraine are part of the GUUAM military alliance. This Pivdenny terminal has been financed—in agreement with the (neo-fascist) government of President Leonid Kuchna—by Western loans."

Geostrategic Battle Mirrored in Corporate Media Accounts

The prescient (and in the case of Brzezinski, incriminating) analysis from both of the above cited books, written years ago, is echoed by current reporting in mainstream news.

A San Francisco Chronicle article offers the following:

"The United Financial Group, an investment banking organization based in Moscow, described the struggle in Ukraine as 'a Cold War-style proxy confrontation.'" Yushchenko promised to turn Ukraine, a geographical bridge between the European Union and the energy-rich Caspian Sea and Black Sea regions, toward Western-style democracy. . . . Yanukovych, on the other hand, advocates closer ties with the increasingly authoritarian Russia, its Eastern neighbor.

"An independent, Western-oriented Ukraine also could provide a crucial partnership for the United States and a potential staging ground for its pursuit of oil in the Caucasian region, according to Celeste Wallander, director of the Russia/Eurasia program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington."

According to a Washington Post report:

"In Russia's view, the key to its continued influence in the region is Yanukovych.

"'Russia cannot really afford to suffer a defeat over Ukraine,' Liliya Shevtsova, an analyst with the Carnegie Moscow Center, said Wednesday. 'Russia cannot be a power without Ukraine. It is historically conditioned, but it is also plain fact.'

"If Yushchenko became Ukraine's president, though, the country could decide to join NATO and end its substantial military cooperation with Russia. Such a move, some analysts believe, could cost Russia as much as $10 billion a year in contracts and other revenue.

"In contrast, a Yanukovych presidency would guarantee Russian companies access to vital energy pipelines—Ukraine exports 90 percent of Russian gas to Europe—and crucially, Russia's own Black Sea fleet, currently headquartered on leased property in the Ukranian port of Sevastopol my emphasis-LC."

"Yanukovych's defeat would signal the collapse of the classic Soviet-style bureaucratic structure in Ukraine and could result in similar regimes along Russia's frontier—in Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kazahkstan and Belarus—giving way to democratic forces sooner rather than later."

Bush Administration Crisis

Coming off of its own stolen presidential election, the priorities for the Bush regime's second term are clear from the aggressive actions taken in recent weeks. The genocidal counterinsurgency operations in Iraq continue to foment escalating backlash and hatred. Bush administration leaders, including both George W. and George H.W. Bush, are engaging in feverish rounds of negotiation for increased militarization, narcotrafficking and exploitation in Latin America, and meeting with resistance from both political leaders and angry resistance on the streets:

Interference in Ukraine is one more example of the administration's desperate need to keep its oil-driven "war on terrorism" train from derailing.

The Bush administration's arrogant triumphalist rhetoric masks the fact that its plans for easily securing the world's last remaining energy reserves for its chosen elites is failing, despite its military aggression. It has also failed so far to "manage" a world economy that teeters on the brink of collapse, and one that is only sustained by book-cooking and criminal money flows, such as the renewed Afghanistan opium trafficking, reestablished under US occupation. See:

Afghanistan's disturbing poppy explosion/UN says nation tops Colombia as capital of illicit narcotics

In the meantime, the Middle East is continuing to spiral further out of control—even under US military occupation. China continues to expand and evolve as an economic and military rival, a direct super power adversary for oil and energy.

The failure to install a pro-Western government in Ukraine will gravely threaten the US energy conquest, and perhaps derail the imperial agenda altogether.

Colin Powell threatened: "if the Ukrainian government does not act immediately and responsibly, there will be consequences for our relationship, for Ukraine's hopes for Euro-Atlantic integration, and for individuals responsible for perpetrating fraud."

Coming from the representative of the most criminal and militaristically violent presidency in United States history, there is little question what the "consequences" will entail.

Larry Chin is a freelance journalist and an Online Journal Associate Editor.
 

Urim Nerguti

Primus registratum
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Lexova vetëm fjalinë e fundit të artikullit të këtij gazetari dhe e kuptova që edhe ky artikull vjen nga një altermondialist ose dhe nga një investigator i tipit të Eric Laurent dhe Thierry Meysan, kaq shumë në modë kohët e fundit.
Sa për Brzezhinskin, mos harro se ai është me origjinë polake, dhe Polonia nuk është gati për t'ia falur Rusisë të zezat e ullirit që ajo ka hequr.
 

antares

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Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Ne fund te fundit c'eshte "racizmi" kaq i urryer? Ky eshte shqiptar dhe ----> eshte trafikant apo keqberes, bjeri qenit!
Pra deri ketu shkoka serioziteti intelektual, tek etiketimi "altermondialist" dhe automatikisht bien te gjitha gjerat qe ai thote pa i lexuar?
Or mik! edhe Dr. Gobelsi qe ti e di shume mire se kush ishte, gazeten e pare qe donte ne tavolinen e punes ne mengjez ishte Pravda, jo se kish ndonje dashuri per te po duhej te dinte c'thoshte kundershtari. Nje nga sekretet e artit ushtarak kinez (5000 vjet perpara) ishte te njohesh kundershtarin dhe te dish perpara levizjen qe ka per te bere!
Une e di mire origjinen e Brzhezhinskit si dhe implikimin e Polonise me druvarin Valesa!
Edhe Taras Bulben e kam lexuar!
Edhe tokat Polake qe i jane dhene Ukraines i di mire fare.
Edhe territoret Ruse qe Lenini i kaloi Ukraines perseri i di.....
Prandaj mendoj se po behet nje loje shume e rrezikshme.
 

Urim Nerguti

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Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Nuk jam unë ai që po i etiketoj si altermondialistë, por të gjithë ato që militojnë qarqet altermondialiste kanë këto gjëra të përbashkëta, dhe madje i shpalosin me krenari:
1. Çdo gjë që bën Amerika është e keqe.
2. Bush më i keq se Bin Laden.
3. Sharon terrorist.
4. Arafat paqedashës.
5. Të bardhët janë fajtorë për të gjitha të këqijat e njerëzimit.
6. Amerika është diktaturë.
7. Iraku i Saddam Husein nuk ishte aq i keq sa dukej.
8. Terrorizmi ka lindur sepse Amerika i ka provokuar.
9. Terroristët janë terrorista sepse ato nuk kanë ç'të bëjnë.
10. OGM (që vijnë nga Amerika) po shkatërrojnë bujqësinë europiane.
11. Të varfërit kanë gjithmonë të drejtë.
12. Në Amerikë hahet keq, të gjithë janë obezë.
13. Terroristët duhen dëgjuar, sepse e kanë nga halli.
14. Legalizim i hashashit (un petard n'est pas si mal)
15. Mundësisht të gjithë duhet të mbajnë një kefieh në formë shalli për solidarizim me palestinezët.
etj, etj, etj,
 

antares

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Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Po une qe jam dakord vetem me pikat 2,3,6,7,8,10,12? Dhe jam kategorikisht kunder te tjerave 1,4,5,9,11,13? Ku futem une?
Noshta edhe per kategorine time ka ndonje etiketim dhe sigurisht edhe menyra qe te ma ngulisin mire ne koke demokracine e kulluar Janki!
Ruset kishin nje menyre te tyre te eliminimit te disidences: Shpalleshin te cmendur (e si mund te ishte normal nje bukeshkale qe nuk i shikonte te mirat e bolshevizmit) dhe mbylleshin ne klinika psikiatrike ku te gjoret cmendeshin vertet pastaj!
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
Re: Ukraina ne shenjester!

Si ka mundësi? Shiko Antares se thellë thellë duhet të jesh i bindur për të gjitha pikat! Është pavetëdija jote që i bindet këtyre pikave por normat e moralit me të cilin je rritur nuk i pranojnë dhe prandaj krijohet një kontradiktë madhore tek ti. Mendoj që duhet të takohesh me një mjek psikoanalist, mundësisht çifut, dhe t'i shpjegosh problemet e tua! Të siguroj se çifutët janë më të mirët për këto raste /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif .
 
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