The passion of the Christ!
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Filmi del ne kinema me dt. 25 Shkurt, dhe ata qe paten privilegjin ta shikonin pak me heret thone se filmi te le mbresa te thella. Ketu kishat kane blere karriget ne kinema prej kohesh, flasim ketu per sasira rreth 100-200 karrige per kishe vetem per naten ose fundjaven hapese. Qellimi eshte qe ky film te behet filmi me i pare duke permbysur dhe rekordet e Titanikut.
JO vetem qe te Krishteret Amerikane do ta shikojne, por edhe nje shumice e pafe sepse nga kontradikta e filmit shume jane bere kureshtare dhe pyesin per filmin (si rasti konkret i temes).
Tani thuhet se qargjet Hebre ne media nuk e pelqejne pasi filmi ndez ndjenja anti-semitike, kjo nuk eshte e vertete pasi Mel Gibson ka dashur te shprehe me te vertete valen e fuqishme te dhimbjeve qe Krishti pesoi per humanizmin, duke e lene jeten vete dhe jo ja marre te tjeret.
Mel Gibson sot nga ora 7 e mbasdites i ka dhene nje interviste Diane Soyer e ABC, nje emision qe nga publiciteti dhe serioziteti qe gezon vetem do ta ndihmoje filmin.
Fakt domethenes eshte se 70% e Amerikaneve e deklarojne veten protestante.
Filmi eshte terheqes dhe per faktin se nuk eshte zhargoni i tipit te Hollywood-it, thuhet se dialogjet jane ne Latinisht, Aramaik, ka dhe disa aktore Italiane ne film.
Per te pare nje sekuence klilo ketu.
Filmi del ne kinema me dt. 25 Shkurt, dhe ata qe paten privilegjin ta shikonin pak me heret thone se filmi te le mbresa te thella. Ketu kishat kane blere karriget ne kinema prej kohesh, flasim ketu per sasira rreth 100-200 karrige per kishe vetem per naten ose fundjaven hapese. Qellimi eshte qe ky film te behet filmi me i pare duke permbysur dhe rekordet e Titanikut.
JO vetem qe te Krishteret Amerikane do ta shikojne, por edhe nje shumice e pafe sepse nga kontradikta e filmit shume jane bere kureshtare dhe pyesin per filmin (si rasti konkret i temes).
Tani thuhet se qargjet Hebre ne media nuk e pelqejne pasi filmi ndez ndjenja anti-semitike, kjo nuk eshte e vertete pasi Mel Gibson ka dashur te shprehe me te vertete valen e fuqishme te dhimbjeve qe Krishti pesoi per humanizmin, duke e lene jeten vete dhe jo ja marre te tjeret.
Mel Gibson sot nga ora 7 e mbasdites i ka dhene nje interviste Diane Soyer e ABC, nje emision qe nga publiciteti dhe serioziteti qe gezon vetem do ta ndihmoje filmin.
Fakt domethenes eshte se 70% e Amerikaneve e deklarojne veten protestante.
Filmi eshte terheqes dhe per faktin se nuk eshte zhargoni i tipit te Hollywood-it, thuhet se dialogjet jane ne Latinisht, Aramaik, ka dhe disa aktore Italiane ne film.
Per te pare nje sekuence klilo ketu.
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Re: The passion of the Christ!
Ne trailer shikoj subtitra ne anglisht. Did Mel give in or what??
Ne trailer shikoj subtitra ne anglisht. Did Mel give in or what??
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Re: The passion of the Christ!
ZENIT - The World Seen From Rome
Code: ZE04020622
Date: 2004-02-06
Father Thomas Rosica on Mel Gibson's "The Passion"
National Director of World Youth Day 2002 Weighs in on Film
TORONTO, FEB. 6, 2004 (Zenit.org).- A priest who oversaw World Youth Day 2002 and its Way of the Cross through the streets of Toronto says he was overwhelmed by Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Basilian Father Thomas Rosica, head of Salt & Light Catholic Media Foundation and the first national Catholic television Network in Canada, was invited to view Gibson's movie late last year.
Father Rosica is a trained Scripture scholar and represented the Canadian bishops' conference for nearly 10 years on the National Christian-Jewish Consultation. He shared his views about "The Passion" with ZENIT.
Q: You have lived, studied and taught in the Holy Land at the École Biblique and the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. You headed up World Youth Day 2002 in Canada, which had as its centerpiece the historic Way of the Cross through the center of a modern city. You certainly did not watch Gibson's movie as an outsider. What do you think of it?
Father Rosica: My first reaction was overwhelming. Having followed the extensive debate about the movie for the past year, I was interested in seeing it, but never expected the invitation to be so personal.
One of my principal colleagues at Salt & Light and I were invited by the sound production company of the film to a private showing. I was very surprised to learn that the soundtrack is being produced for the movie by a sound company located several blocks from our Salt & Light Television headquarters in downtown Toronto.
I rarely leave a theater or a film screening with a strong desire to pray and be silent. That is what I felt this morning as I returned to our offices. "The Passion" is a deeply moving presentation of the final hours of Jesus' life on earth. It is by no means a film for children.
I recommend that all those in pastoral ministry, teachers and students of Scripture, and adult Christians view this film at some point. If Gibson's desire was to allow people to draw closer to Christ through this film, he has accomplished his goal.
If Gibson wished people to experience a conversion of heart to the nonviolent message of the cross, he has accomplished that as well.
Q: What stood out for you in the movie?
Father Rosica: The film has been produced with stunning cinematography, excellent acting, fidelity to the Scriptures, attentiveness to the theological meaning of the passion and death of Christ, and extraordinary artistic and religious sensitivity.
The powerful play of light and darkness across Pilate's tortured face is far more revealing than any of the words uttered. It is as though Caravaggio himself served as the artistic and lighting director of this film.
Every single scene is richly created in order to invite the viewer deeper and deeper into the mystery. I really feel that this movie is a masterpiece of religious art of the most powerful genre. As the movie progresses, those who were simply bystanders are drawn into the heart of the story.
Among many extraordinary details, I found Gibson's use of flashback masterful. As a teacher of the Passion narratives, I am always struck by the poignant scenes of the trial, and Peter's role in these Gospel accounts.
In this movie, the haunting flashback to Christ and Peter produces a special effect. The camera captures the face of Christ in profile, while Peter gazes upon us. Christ's excruciating suffering is punctuated by flashbacks to his washing the feet of his apostles in loving service. There are so many subtle ways in which the bystanders in this movie become the protagonists in an instant.
One of my great mentors and professors was the late Father Raymond Brown, S.S., who taught me the "Death of the Messiah" at the Biblicum in Rome. Brown demonstrated that, while there are some differences among the Passion accounts, they are in substantial agreement overall.
It is important to remember that Mel Gibson's film is not a documentary but a work of creative imagination. He incorporates elements from the four Passion narratives of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but remains faithful to the fundamental structure common to all four Gospel accounts.
Gibson has done nothing to remove the brutality from the Passion story. In fact he has no intention to sugarcoat the Passion story with pietism or a false spirituality. The viewer is forced to look at the raw facts and events, and witness the suffering of a just man.
The more brutal the scenes become, the more powerful are the flashback moments of Jesus teaching on the Mount of the Beatitudes, Jesus identifying himself as the Good Shepherd, Jesus offering his life in the bread and wine of the last supper.
One scene, in particular, was very moving. As Jesus falls on the Way of the Cross, there is a flashback to his falling on a Jerusalem street as a child, and his mother running out of the house to pick him up. The interplay of Mary and Jesus in this film is moving, and reaches its apex in the scene of the Pietà.
The Mother of the Lord is inviting each of us to share her grief and behold her Son. It is what we tried to do on the Way of the Cross in the heart of the city during World Youth Day 2002 in Toronto. This scene was an incredibly powerful moment for us as well. In fact, those who discouraged us from such a public presentation of the Stations of Cross during World Youth Day 2002 were not from outside the Church!
After that magnificent presentation on Toronto's University Avenue in July, 2002, among the thousands of letters and messages we received were those from people of other faiths who simply said: "If only we could do something like this for our own young people and teach them about the core of our faith."
Q: To what do you attribute all the opposition to Gibson's film?
Father Rosica: Ignorance, an obsession with being politically correct, a poor understanding of true interfaith relations, and an unwillingness to come to grips with the cold facts and ambiguous nature of Jesus' trial and execution.
I must also admit that Christians and Jews who fail to deal with the Scriptures in a mature way, and simply promote a false irenicism and ignorance of history, do not help to build bridges and repair the real damage of anti-Semitism which is alive once again in the world.
The old adage that "those who don't know speak, and those who know don't speak" can certainly be applied to all the ink spilled over this film. I have heard heated debates among people who have no idea what the film is about.
Q: As one who has been deeply involved in Jewish-Christian dialogue for many years, do you think that the film is anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish?
Father Rosica: No, it is not at all anti-Semitic nor anti-Jewish. The film neither exaggerates nor downplays the role of Jewish authorities and legal proceedings in the condemnation of Jesus.
Without a doubt the figure of Caiaphas, the Jewish high priest is a villain. But it is very important to realize that Caiaphas in the Scriptures represented the regime of the time and not the Jewish people.
The film should serve as a springboard into deepening our knowledge of the Scriptures, our love of Jesus Christ, our understanding of the historic reconciliation of Christians and Jews, especially since Vatican II and under the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, and an analysis of the true causes of anti-Semitism, and its reappearance in the world today.
It think it is very unfortunate that many voices within the Church, not to speak of those from outside the Church, have already condemned the film before even seeing it on the grounds that it is anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish. If the movie does anything, it compels even the most distant and dispassionate viewer to deepen his or her understanding of the story of the Jesus' passion and death.
Jews and Romans of that time were involved in the condemnation, trial and execution of Jesus. That is a fact of history. Anyone who tries to rewrite history or rewrite the Gospel stories of Jesus' suffering and death is unfaithful to history and very dishonest in applying lessons of the past to contemporary situations.
Isn't the real issue arising from this film that many political and even religious authorities throughout history have persecuted individuals with revolutionary ideas?
The Gospel passion narratives recount how the sins of all these people at the time of Jesus conspired to bring about the passion and death of Christ, and thereby suggest the fundamental truth that we are all to blame. Their sins and our sins bring Christ to the cross, and he bears them willingly.
And we must learn from what happened to Jesus and ask ourselves not only about the identity of those who tried, condemned and killed him long ago, but also what killed Jesus -- and what vicious circles of violence, brutality and hatred continue to crucify him today in his brothers and sisters of the human family.
I read somewhere that Maia Morgenstern, the Jewish actress who masterfully plays the part of Mary, said that "The Passion" opposes oppression and violence. "It is about letting people speak openly about what they think and believe. It denounces the madness of violence and cruelty, which if unchecked can spread like a disease."
Q: What were your sentiments as you left the screening room of "The Passion"? You saw it on the eve of Christmas ...
Father Rosica: At the end of such a provocative movie, and on the eve of the birth of the Prince of Peace, I am left with some questions.
In Gibson's "Passion," the "great high priest" is Jesus, the Child of Bethlehem who becomes the "Ecce Homo" of Jerusalem, not at all one distant from us and our condition, but one who sympathizes with us and suffers with us, for he has experienced our weakness and pain, even our temptations.
I must ask myself if am I a priestly person like he was? Do I live for others and spend my life for others? Is the world any less violent, hostile and brutal, and any more patient, kind and just, because of me? Do I stand on the side of truth? Or am I afraid to reveal my faith in Jesus and my fidelity to the Gospel?
"The Passion" compels me to reflect on the cost of discipleship.
ZENIT - The World Seen From Rome
Code: ZE04020622
Date: 2004-02-06
Father Thomas Rosica on Mel Gibson's "The Passion"
National Director of World Youth Day 2002 Weighs in on Film
TORONTO, FEB. 6, 2004 (Zenit.org).- A priest who oversaw World Youth Day 2002 and its Way of the Cross through the streets of Toronto says he was overwhelmed by Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."
Basilian Father Thomas Rosica, head of Salt & Light Catholic Media Foundation and the first national Catholic television Network in Canada, was invited to view Gibson's movie late last year.
Father Rosica is a trained Scripture scholar and represented the Canadian bishops' conference for nearly 10 years on the National Christian-Jewish Consultation. He shared his views about "The Passion" with ZENIT.
Q: You have lived, studied and taught in the Holy Land at the École Biblique and the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. You headed up World Youth Day 2002 in Canada, which had as its centerpiece the historic Way of the Cross through the center of a modern city. You certainly did not watch Gibson's movie as an outsider. What do you think of it?
Father Rosica: My first reaction was overwhelming. Having followed the extensive debate about the movie for the past year, I was interested in seeing it, but never expected the invitation to be so personal.
One of my principal colleagues at Salt & Light and I were invited by the sound production company of the film to a private showing. I was very surprised to learn that the soundtrack is being produced for the movie by a sound company located several blocks from our Salt & Light Television headquarters in downtown Toronto.
I rarely leave a theater or a film screening with a strong desire to pray and be silent. That is what I felt this morning as I returned to our offices. "The Passion" is a deeply moving presentation of the final hours of Jesus' life on earth. It is by no means a film for children.
I recommend that all those in pastoral ministry, teachers and students of Scripture, and adult Christians view this film at some point. If Gibson's desire was to allow people to draw closer to Christ through this film, he has accomplished his goal.
If Gibson wished people to experience a conversion of heart to the nonviolent message of the cross, he has accomplished that as well.
Q: What stood out for you in the movie?
Father Rosica: The film has been produced with stunning cinematography, excellent acting, fidelity to the Scriptures, attentiveness to the theological meaning of the passion and death of Christ, and extraordinary artistic and religious sensitivity.
The powerful play of light and darkness across Pilate's tortured face is far more revealing than any of the words uttered. It is as though Caravaggio himself served as the artistic and lighting director of this film.
Every single scene is richly created in order to invite the viewer deeper and deeper into the mystery. I really feel that this movie is a masterpiece of religious art of the most powerful genre. As the movie progresses, those who were simply bystanders are drawn into the heart of the story.
Among many extraordinary details, I found Gibson's use of flashback masterful. As a teacher of the Passion narratives, I am always struck by the poignant scenes of the trial, and Peter's role in these Gospel accounts.
In this movie, the haunting flashback to Christ and Peter produces a special effect. The camera captures the face of Christ in profile, while Peter gazes upon us. Christ's excruciating suffering is punctuated by flashbacks to his washing the feet of his apostles in loving service. There are so many subtle ways in which the bystanders in this movie become the protagonists in an instant.
One of my great mentors and professors was the late Father Raymond Brown, S.S., who taught me the "Death of the Messiah" at the Biblicum in Rome. Brown demonstrated that, while there are some differences among the Passion accounts, they are in substantial agreement overall.
It is important to remember that Mel Gibson's film is not a documentary but a work of creative imagination. He incorporates elements from the four Passion narratives of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but remains faithful to the fundamental structure common to all four Gospel accounts.
Gibson has done nothing to remove the brutality from the Passion story. In fact he has no intention to sugarcoat the Passion story with pietism or a false spirituality. The viewer is forced to look at the raw facts and events, and witness the suffering of a just man.
The more brutal the scenes become, the more powerful are the flashback moments of Jesus teaching on the Mount of the Beatitudes, Jesus identifying himself as the Good Shepherd, Jesus offering his life in the bread and wine of the last supper.
One scene, in particular, was very moving. As Jesus falls on the Way of the Cross, there is a flashback to his falling on a Jerusalem street as a child, and his mother running out of the house to pick him up. The interplay of Mary and Jesus in this film is moving, and reaches its apex in the scene of the Pietà.
The Mother of the Lord is inviting each of us to share her grief and behold her Son. It is what we tried to do on the Way of the Cross in the heart of the city during World Youth Day 2002 in Toronto. This scene was an incredibly powerful moment for us as well. In fact, those who discouraged us from such a public presentation of the Stations of Cross during World Youth Day 2002 were not from outside the Church!
After that magnificent presentation on Toronto's University Avenue in July, 2002, among the thousands of letters and messages we received were those from people of other faiths who simply said: "If only we could do something like this for our own young people and teach them about the core of our faith."
Q: To what do you attribute all the opposition to Gibson's film?
Father Rosica: Ignorance, an obsession with being politically correct, a poor understanding of true interfaith relations, and an unwillingness to come to grips with the cold facts and ambiguous nature of Jesus' trial and execution.
I must also admit that Christians and Jews who fail to deal with the Scriptures in a mature way, and simply promote a false irenicism and ignorance of history, do not help to build bridges and repair the real damage of anti-Semitism which is alive once again in the world.
The old adage that "those who don't know speak, and those who know don't speak" can certainly be applied to all the ink spilled over this film. I have heard heated debates among people who have no idea what the film is about.
Q: As one who has been deeply involved in Jewish-Christian dialogue for many years, do you think that the film is anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish?
Father Rosica: No, it is not at all anti-Semitic nor anti-Jewish. The film neither exaggerates nor downplays the role of Jewish authorities and legal proceedings in the condemnation of Jesus.
Without a doubt the figure of Caiaphas, the Jewish high priest is a villain. But it is very important to realize that Caiaphas in the Scriptures represented the regime of the time and not the Jewish people.
The film should serve as a springboard into deepening our knowledge of the Scriptures, our love of Jesus Christ, our understanding of the historic reconciliation of Christians and Jews, especially since Vatican II and under the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, and an analysis of the true causes of anti-Semitism, and its reappearance in the world today.
It think it is very unfortunate that many voices within the Church, not to speak of those from outside the Church, have already condemned the film before even seeing it on the grounds that it is anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish. If the movie does anything, it compels even the most distant and dispassionate viewer to deepen his or her understanding of the story of the Jesus' passion and death.
Jews and Romans of that time were involved in the condemnation, trial and execution of Jesus. That is a fact of history. Anyone who tries to rewrite history or rewrite the Gospel stories of Jesus' suffering and death is unfaithful to history and very dishonest in applying lessons of the past to contemporary situations.
Isn't the real issue arising from this film that many political and even religious authorities throughout history have persecuted individuals with revolutionary ideas?
The Gospel passion narratives recount how the sins of all these people at the time of Jesus conspired to bring about the passion and death of Christ, and thereby suggest the fundamental truth that we are all to blame. Their sins and our sins bring Christ to the cross, and he bears them willingly.
And we must learn from what happened to Jesus and ask ourselves not only about the identity of those who tried, condemned and killed him long ago, but also what killed Jesus -- and what vicious circles of violence, brutality and hatred continue to crucify him today in his brothers and sisters of the human family.
I read somewhere that Maia Morgenstern, the Jewish actress who masterfully plays the part of Mary, said that "The Passion" opposes oppression and violence. "It is about letting people speak openly about what they think and believe. It denounces the madness of violence and cruelty, which if unchecked can spread like a disease."
Q: What were your sentiments as you left the screening room of "The Passion"? You saw it on the eve of Christmas ...
Father Rosica: At the end of such a provocative movie, and on the eve of the birth of the Prince of Peace, I am left with some questions.
In Gibson's "Passion," the "great high priest" is Jesus, the Child of Bethlehem who becomes the "Ecce Homo" of Jerusalem, not at all one distant from us and our condition, but one who sympathizes with us and suffers with us, for he has experienced our weakness and pain, even our temptations.
I must ask myself if am I a priestly person like he was? Do I live for others and spend my life for others? Is the world any less violent, hostile and brutal, and any more patient, kind and just, because of me? Do I stand on the side of truth? Or am I afraid to reveal my faith in Jesus and my fidelity to the Gospel?
"The Passion" compels me to reflect on the cost of discipleship.
olti
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Re: The passion of the Christ!
Akuzave per antisemitizem Mel Gibson i ishte pergjigjur me shume inteligjence: sipas tij - "te gjithe ne e luftuam Krishtin dhe per kete vdiq dhe ai, pra per te lare mekatet tona" /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Nejse une nuk nisem nga kurioziteti i thjeshte dhe as i pafe nuk jam :-p Vetem se do interesonte shume te shihja nje kendveshtrim tjeter te jetes se Jezu Krishtit (si ne kete rast kur regjizori eshte katolik) dhe kur mbi te gjitha kemi te bejme me 12 oret e fundit te Krishtit, te cilat jane dhe oret me vendimtare te jetes se tij dhe asaj qe ndodhi me vone, qe la pasoja per gjithe njerezimin dhe historine.
Nje kuriozitet: Me sa me kujtohet dhe ne mos gabohem para disa viteve doli nje lajm sipas te cilit vajza e Gibson-it kishte vendosur te behej murgeshe.
Akuzave per antisemitizem Mel Gibson i ishte pergjigjur me shume inteligjence: sipas tij - "te gjithe ne e luftuam Krishtin dhe per kete vdiq dhe ai, pra per te lare mekatet tona" /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Nejse une nuk nisem nga kurioziteti i thjeshte dhe as i pafe nuk jam :-p Vetem se do interesonte shume te shihja nje kendveshtrim tjeter te jetes se Jezu Krishtit (si ne kete rast kur regjizori eshte katolik) dhe kur mbi te gjitha kemi te bejme me 12 oret e fundit te Krishtit, te cilat jane dhe oret me vendimtare te jetes se tij dhe asaj qe ndodhi me vone, qe la pasoja per gjithe njerezimin dhe historine.
Nje kuriozitet: Me sa me kujtohet dhe ne mos gabohem para disa viteve doli nje lajm sipas te cilit vajza e Gibson-it kishte vendosur te behej murgeshe.
Re: The passion of the Christ!
Renea: myslymane, te pafete dhe cifutet vete kane per ta pare kete film.
Padyshim do kaloj rekordet e filmit Titanik. Une akoma deri tani nuk e kam pare titanikun. Filmin "Passion of the Christ" do ta shikoj se zben.
Mel Gibson eshte aktor superior. "What women want" fantastik film.
Renea: myslymane, te pafete dhe cifutet vete kane per ta pare kete film.
Padyshim do kaloj rekordet e filmit Titanik. Une akoma deri tani nuk e kam pare titanikun. Filmin "Passion of the Christ" do ta shikoj se zben.
Re: The passion of the Christ!
Jam duke pare intervisten e Mel Gibson me Diane Soyer, interesant fakti kur tha "Une i kisha te gjithe, para, fame, beja c'te doja, por prape ndihesha bosh, sa me shume te shpenzoja ose haja aq me i uritur ndjehesha", wow, tani ka ndryshuar krejt, kjo eshte FUQIA E PERENDISE, zonja dhe zoterinj.
Jam duke pare intervisten e Mel Gibson me Diane Soyer, interesant fakti kur tha "Une i kisha te gjithe, para, fame, beja c'te doja, por prape ndihesha bosh, sa me shume te shpenzoja ose haja aq me i uritur ndjehesha", wow, tani ka ndryshuar krejt, kjo eshte FUQIA E PERENDISE, zonja dhe zoterinj.
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Nelk@
Re: The passion of the Christ!
Renea deri te pakten para 2-3 muajsh Gibson insistonte ne mos venien e subtitrave sepse nuk i shihte ato si vendimtare ne "eksperiencen" e te parit filmin. Kjo ishte arsyeja qe te gjitha kompanite e medha distributore te filmave si miramax e 20th century fox nuk pranuan ta merrnin persiper. E deri diku une bashkohem me te, titrat s'ishin "intergral to my experience"
Perndryshe, filmi ne vetvete ishte nje eksperience si asnje tjeter qe kam pasur ne kinema. Me duket se kam mbajtur frymen per 2 ore. Very overwhelming, very raw! James Caviziel eshte i shkelqyer ne rolin e tij, per vete faktin se ne filma te tille kur ka kaq pak dialog, duket me te vertete mjeshteria e aktorit. He said many things with his eyes. Do te shkruaj perseri ketu, filmi vertet ka lene mbresa tek une.
Antisemetizmin nuk e pashe gjekundi. :shrug:
Renea deri te pakten para 2-3 muajsh Gibson insistonte ne mos venien e subtitrave sepse nuk i shihte ato si vendimtare ne "eksperiencen" e te parit filmin. Kjo ishte arsyeja qe te gjitha kompanite e medha distributore te filmave si miramax e 20th century fox nuk pranuan ta merrnin persiper. E deri diku une bashkohem me te, titrat s'ishin "intergral to my experience"
Perndryshe, filmi ne vetvete ishte nje eksperience si asnje tjeter qe kam pasur ne kinema. Me duket se kam mbajtur frymen per 2 ore. Very overwhelming, very raw! James Caviziel eshte i shkelqyer ne rolin e tij, per vete faktin se ne filma te tille kur ka kaq pak dialog, duket me te vertete mjeshteria e aktorit. He said many things with his eyes. Do te shkruaj perseri ketu, filmi vertet ka lene mbresa tek une.
Antisemetizmin nuk e pashe gjekundi. :shrug:
Rrapatushja
Nelk@
Re: The passion of the Christ!
Ana filmi eshte grafik dhe violent. Sipas meje me grafiku qe kam pare ndonjehere. Do shikosh e do degjosh cdo gozhde 10 cm te kercase ndersa ngulet ne pellembe te tij. Ka nja dy raste kur mendon se skena ka mbaruar e ti mendon se s'do ta fishkullojne me, kur rifillon me e e eger me mjete hmm me dhimbjeprurese. Eshte zgjidhje personale se cfare mendon se mund te durosh, une nuk i mbylla syte, por ndonje tjeter edhe mund te ike nga kinemaja. /pf/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Ana filmi eshte grafik dhe violent. Sipas meje me grafiku qe kam pare ndonjehere. Do shikosh e do degjosh cdo gozhde 10 cm te kercase ndersa ngulet ne pellembe te tij. Ka nja dy raste kur mendon se skena ka mbaruar e ti mendon se s'do ta fishkullojne me, kur rifillon me e e eger me mjete hmm me dhimbjeprurese. Eshte zgjidhje personale se cfare mendon se mund te durosh, une nuk i mbylla syte, por ndonje tjeter edhe mund te ike nga kinemaja. /pf/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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Re: The passion of the Christ!
Film vertet i arrire. Teper trondites. Sygjestionimi psikologjike ishte aq i fuqishem sa pas nje fare kohe arrije ti ndjeje ato kamzhik vete ne kurriz. Filmi i pare qe kam pare deri me sot qe fokusohet vertet vetem ne 12 oret e fundit te Jesus. ...Sipas mendimit tim eshte veshtire te vleresohet ky film si "i bukur" apo "i shemtuar"...sepse eshte e njelloj sikur te thuash per nje me teme Holokausti....keta futen ne kategorine trondites apo jo.
Film vertet i arrire. Teper trondites. Sygjestionimi psikologjike ishte aq i fuqishem sa pas nje fare kohe arrije ti ndjeje ato kamzhik vete ne kurriz. Filmi i pare qe kam pare deri me sot qe fokusohet vertet vetem ne 12 oret e fundit te Jesus. ...Sipas mendimit tim eshte veshtire te vleresohet ky film si "i bukur" apo "i shemtuar"...sepse eshte e njelloj sikur te thuash per nje me teme Holokausti....keta futen ne kategorine trondites apo jo.
olti
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Re: The passion of the Christ!
Lexova dhe une qe nje grua 53 vjecare nga Kansasi, kishte pasur atak ne zemer dhe kishte vdekur ne sallen e kinemase duke pare kete film. Per te krishteret ky film eshte shume i lavderuar, ndersa per hebrenjte si antisemitik. Gazeta Nju Jork Tajms kishte shkruar se ky film eshte nga me antisemitiket qe pas propogandes naziste.
Di te me thote njeri qe ka pare kete film se ku eshte antisemitik ky?
Lexova dhe une qe nje grua 53 vjecare nga Kansasi, kishte pasur atak ne zemer dhe kishte vdekur ne sallen e kinemase duke pare kete film. Per te krishteret ky film eshte shume i lavderuar, ndersa per hebrenjte si antisemitik. Gazeta Nju Jork Tajms kishte shkruar se ky film eshte nga me antisemitiket qe pas propogandes naziste.
Di te me thote njeri qe ka pare kete film se ku eshte antisemitik ky?
Re: The passion of the Christ!
ikni shikoni kolosalin e rradhes, gjithshka eshte nje mekanizem per te prodhuar leke, duke u nisur nga polemikat me vatikanin, te prodhuara nga shtypi amerikane, nje super femer dhe deri te fotot e jezusit te masakruar, meli i ka rene ne koke, nje histori e tille terheq gjithmone, deti eshte i madh, dhe nje terheqja e pashmangshme qe kane njerzit drejt horrorit.
ikni shikoni kolosalin e rradhes, gjithshka eshte nje mekanizem per te prodhuar leke, duke u nisur nga polemikat me vatikanin, te prodhuara nga shtypi amerikane, nje super femer dhe deri te fotot e jezusit te masakruar, meli i ka rene ne koke, nje histori e tille terheq gjithmone, deti eshte i madh, dhe nje terheqja e pashmangshme qe kane njerzit drejt horrorit.
Re: The passion of the Christ!
Ceshtja, antisemt apo jo eshte subjekt interpretimesh. Asnje detaj nuk eshte ngulur ne film si antisemit. Asnje thirrje, asnje fjale. Filmi eshte folur ne aramaiken e vdekur, jo ne anglisht, me perkthim poshte.
Por ceshtja eshte se detajet e pershkruara ne Ungjill jane ndjekur me nje perpikmeri te perkryer. Shume njerez qe nuk e kane menduar ndonjehere vuajtjen e Krishtit seriozisht, kur e shohin ne ekran pesojne nje shok emocional.
Eshte prekes edhe per me skeptikun e skeptikeve.
Kritiket tremben se mos injorantet dhe agresivet qe deri me sot nuk kane menduar mbi kete, kur te shohin filmin do mbushen me keqardhje per vuajtjet e Zotit dhe duke qene natyra te pagdhendura mund te kryejne akte anti hebrenjve.
Gibson, pas keshillave ka hequr disa pjese te filmit ne te cilat turmat e hebrenjve godasin me grushta e me shkelma Jezusin.
Ceshtja, antisemt apo jo eshte subjekt interpretimesh. Asnje detaj nuk eshte ngulur ne film si antisemit. Asnje thirrje, asnje fjale. Filmi eshte folur ne aramaiken e vdekur, jo ne anglisht, me perkthim poshte.
Por ceshtja eshte se detajet e pershkruara ne Ungjill jane ndjekur me nje perpikmeri te perkryer. Shume njerez qe nuk e kane menduar ndonjehere vuajtjen e Krishtit seriozisht, kur e shohin ne ekran pesojne nje shok emocional.
Eshte prekes edhe per me skeptikun e skeptikeve.
Kritiket tremben se mos injorantet dhe agresivet qe deri me sot nuk kane menduar mbi kete, kur te shohin filmin do mbushen me keqardhje per vuajtjet e Zotit dhe duke qene natyra te pagdhendura mund te kryejne akte anti hebrenjve.
Gibson, pas keshillave ka hequr disa pjese te filmit ne te cilat turmat e hebrenjve godasin me grushta e me shkelma Jezusin.