Re te zeza mbi Iran, Is Iran Next?

Re te zeza mbi Iran, Is Iran Next?

Te gjithe e dine qendrimin cifuto-amerikan mbi Iranin. Nderkohe qe cifutet as nuk kane pranuar te nenshkruajne protokollin e mosperhapjes se Armeve te Shkaterrimit ne Mase dhe njekohesisht disponojne arme atomike, bakteriologjike e kimike,
po pellasin ne kupe te qiellit bashke me sherbetore e tyre amerikane per programin atomik te Iranit. Puna eshte qe Irani eshte nje kocke shume me e forte se Iraku (terren malor e jo shkretetire, popullsi 3-4 here me e madhe se Iraku, raketa qe mund te godasin Izraelin, dyshohet dhe raketa Antiship (Ruse) qe mund te godasin dhe aroplanmbajteset amerikane), dhe njekohesisht ka aftesine per te bere nje gjullurdi te papare ne Irak e Afganistan (ku ka shiite me shumice). Nderkohe veshtire se Rusia do te toleronte aq kollaj te kishte ushtrine amerikane ne kufijte e saj Jugore.
Cfare mendoni per keto fakte e zhvillime?

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Israel will be 'wiped off earth' if it attacks Iran
July 28, 2004

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Iran will wipe Israel "off the face of the earth" if it dared to attack the Islamic republic's nuclear facilities, a spokesman for Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guards was quoted as saying.

"The United States is showing off by threatening to use its wild dog, Israel," the public relations head of the Revolutionary Guards, Commander Seyed Masood Jazayeri, was quoted as saying by the Iranian student news agency ISNA.

"They will not hesitate to strike Iran if they are capable of it. However, their threats to attack Iran's nuclear facilities cannot be realised.

"They are aware Tehran's reaction will be so harsh that Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth and US interests will be easily damaged," he warned.

The commander asserted that Iran would not initiate a conflict, but in retaliation to any attack has proved itself to be "harsh, assertive, hard-hitting and destructive".

Iran's controversial bid to generate nuclear power is seen by arch-enemies Israel and the United States as a cover for nuclear weapons development, allegations that Iran denies.
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OROSHI

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Lucifer,Arabet nuk kan pa vetem keq nga Amerika,ke degju ti per Dubain/Bahreinin/Emiratet/etj?,Ndikimi Amerikan(nafte ne shkembim te mirqenies)ishte decizive ne pasurimin e ketyre vendeve.
Ti mund te thuash:kane naften arabet mor djale-une te them:e si do tja bejne me naften arabet?Do ta pine ne vend te ujit apo duhen firma te fuqishme Evro-Atlantike per perpunimin dhe gjetjen e tregut.3
Pastaj,ishin Evropianet qe shpiken makinen/veturen /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ,perndryshe nafta do ishte si mjet thjeshte per t'u lare ne shkretetire /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif .

Apo edhe mjetet e motorizuara u shpiken nga Arabet :eek:
 

korn83

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orosh naften do e perdornin per lende djegese,ne atentatet kamikaze /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

gurax

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Kur shoh se ne cfare eshte katandisur koncepti "mendimi perparimtar i brezit te ri" me kujtohen fjalet e Faik Konices:

"Shqiperi, te kam dhjere,
ti nuk behesh asnjere."

:book:
 

arun

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Perpjekja e amerikes per mospasqyrimin e drejte te situates ne Iran

Shfaqja e iranit si nje vend i rrezikshem per sigurine e botes dhe shfaqja e pamjeve jo e vertet te gjendjes se brendeshme ne Iran eshte nje nga propagandat e SHBA. Nikolas Brenz zevendesi i politikave te misnistrise se jashtem amerikane beri te ditur se Irani eshte nje kercenim i shoqerise boterore dhe perkrahjes terrorizmoin dhe keto pretendime te tij vijne ne te njejten kohe me raportet e CIA amerikane. Vlen te theksohet se ishte po kjo organizate e cila tha se Iraku posedon arme te shkaterrimit ne mase dhe se bashkepunonin me terroristet dhe vazhdon te pretendoje per iranin. Ata pretendojne se Irani ka tashme fuqine e prodhimit te bombes atomike dhe rraketat e pershtatshme per to. Qarqet e informacionit te izraelit dhe te amerikes botohen ne kohen kur bota akoma nuk ka harruar raportet e rreme te amerikaneve lidhur me armet e shkaterrimit ne mase te irakut. Sipas Xhejms Bill dijetarit te madh amerikan politikat aktuale te amerikes dhe presionet kunder iranit jane pjese e kerkimeve te gabuara dhe te paverteta dhe sipas tij qeveritaret amerikane te bazuar ne kete mendim te gabuar ndjekin nje politike armiqesore ndaj iranit. Funksionaret amerikan akuzojne iranit se mbeshtet terorizmin dhe kjo ne kohen kur mendimtari i shquar amerikan Noam Camski qeverine amerikane e ka quajtur me terroristen ne bote. Xhejms Bill thote se Amerika eshte e mendimit se Irani e mbeshtet terrorizmin nderkombetar por nuk ka asnje dokument ku mund te vertetoje pretendimet e saj. Nikolas Brenz gjithashtu perpiqet qe edhe gjendjen e brendeshme ne Iran ta shfaqe te destabilizuar dhe kerkon te tregoje percarje mes popullit dhe qeverise duke e akuzuar qeverine si shkelese te te drejtave te njeriut. Kjo eshte ne kohen kur sipas Ramzi Klark ish ministrit te drejtesise se SHBA mendohen se vete SHBA shkel te drejtat e njeriut. Eksperienca ka treguar se sa here qe Irani mban zgjedhje fillojne te shtohen dhe ndikimet e SHBA dhe kjo shihet qarte me shtimin e propagandave te SHBA ku kerkojne qe te bejne pessimist popullin Iranian. Por populli Iranian nuk do te biere pre e ndikimeve te amerikaneve.
 

Kondrapedali

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Fillimisht postuar nga OROSHI:
[qb] Lucifer,Arabet nuk kan pa vetem keq nga Amerika,ke degju ti per Dubain/Bahreinin/Emiratet/etj?,Ndikimi Amerikan(nafte ne shkembim te mirqenies)ishte decizive ne pasurimin e ketyre vendeve.
Ti mund te thuash:kane naften arabet mor djale-une te them:e si do tja bejne me naften arabet?Do ta pine ne vend te ujit apo duhen firma te fuqishme Evro-Atlantike per perpunimin dhe gjetjen e tregut.3
Pastaj,ishin Evropianet qe shpiken makinen/veturen /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ,perndryshe nafta do ishte si mjet thjeshte per t'u lare ne shkretetire /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif .

Apo edhe mjetet e motorizuara u shpiken nga Arabet :eek: [/qb]
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ma kapni içik llogjikën e kti diskutimit ktu /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

antares

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Qe thua ti Kondre llogjika ketu eshte qe nese une shpik nje kazan katror per te bere buke, atehere te gjitha te korrat e dritherave ne bote me takojne mua!!!!!
Po Irakezet mund te kunderpergjigjen e te thone qe meqe ata shpiken rroten atehere tre gjithe automobilat e botes duhet te jene prone e Irakut!
Ne kabinetin tone Ministror Rrushin do ta bejme Kryetar te Gjykates se Larte!
Me llogjiken e tij do arrije ne konkluzionin e nje mikut te tij qe tha "Shqiperia - Nga Berlini ne Krete!"


:lol: :lol: :goofy: :goofy: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

antares

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Truppe Usa in Israele; scudi umani contro l’Iran ?

Vari osservatori segnalano un massiccio afflusso di soldati americani in Israele.
"Migliaia", con mezzi meccanici pesanti, a volte camuffati in modo da apparire israeliani.
A chi fa domande viene risposto, non ufficialmente, così: gli americani sono qui per assistere il governo Sharon nell'abbandono della striscia di Gaza, a cui i coloni fanatici si oppongono; e i fanatici hanno forti appoggi nell'armata d'Israele, che è divenuta insicura per questa operazione.

Ma il motivo più probabile è un altro: le truppe Usa sono lì per proteggere Israele, in vista dell'attacco israeliano alle installazioni nucleari dell'Iran.

L'Iran ha già fatto sapere che, se Israele aggredisce, risponderà con i suoi missili, capaci di raggiungere il territorio israeliano in 15 minuti. La presenza degli americani dovrebbe agire da deterrente: se tira i missili e colpisce "i nostri ragazzi", Teheran si troverà in guerra anche con gli Usa.

Fin dalle prime ore della rielezione di Bush, **** Cheney ha annunciato che "l'Iran è in testa alla nostra lista", lasciando però intendere che l'operazione verrà condotta da Israele: "gli israeliani possono decidere un attacco preventivo, e poi lasciare che sia il resto del mondo a ripulire il disastro
diplomatico che ne seguirà", disse in una intervista alla MSNBC nel gennaio 2005.
E' stato in seguito a questa dichiarazione che Teheran ha annunciato la rappresaglia missilistica (CNN, 8 febbraio 2005).
Il fatto è che una vasta operazione congiunta contro l'Iran è in preparazione ormai da mesi. Non solo israelo-americana ma, come appare, con la partecipazione della Turchia e persino della Nato.
Come si sa, Israele ha ricevuto dagli Usa 5000 bombe "intelligenti", fra cui 500 BLU-109 buster bunker, da usare contro installazioni sotterranee. E' meno noto che fra esse, ci sono le più potenti BLU-113, che prevedono una versione nucleare (B61-11).
Proprio da poche settimane il Senato Usa ha autorizzato l'uso di bombe tattiche nucleari, dichiarate "sicure per i civili" (sic).Del resto, già dal 2003, Israele rivolge le sue testate nucleari, che
equipaggiano i missili Usa Harpoon dei suoi sottomarini "Dolphin" (regalo della Germania), contro Teheran.

Come per l'Irak, a determinare l'attacco all'Iran è la convergenza di due gruppi d'interesse: la lobby ebraica, che vuole eliminare un avversario potenziale d' Israele, e la lobby petrolifera americana.
L'Iran detiene il 10% delle riserve mondiali. Gli Usa già controllano quelle dell'Irak (11%) e dell'Arabia Saudita (25%), più le risorse africane (9%).
Il comando centrale strategico Usa (USCENTCOM) ha detto chiaramente che la sua strategia è "proteggere gli interessi vitali degli Stati Uniti, ossia il sicuro acceso degli Usa e degli alleati al Golfo Persico".

Gli alleati
Certo: anche la NATO (a nostra insaputa) si prepara ad appoggiare Israele nella sua aggressione.
Novembre 2004, Bruxelles: viene firmato il protocollo fra la NATO e Israele, alla presenza di generali di sei paesi mediterranei e islamici (Egitto, Algeria, Tunisia, Marocco, Mauritania. Giordania).
Questa sub-alleanza militare occulta costituisce la scusa per associare Israele (che fa parte della sub-alleanza) alla NATO.Israele infatti ha accettato di partecipare con questi "alleati" islamici (o
piuttosto servi terrorizzati del potere mondiale) a "manovre congiunte anti-terrorismo".

Gennaio 2005: Israele e Turchia tengono manovre congiunte davanti alle coste della Siria.
La Turchia, che confina con Iran e Siria, è l'alleato necessario per l'imminente attacco.
Febbraio 2005: hanno luogo esercitazioni congiunte fra la Nato e Israele, le prime nella storia.
Nello stesso mese, guarda caso, l'assassinio del libanese Hariri: ne viene incolpata la Siria, che deve abbandonare il Libano sotto la pressione internazionale.
Così Israele ha uno spazio per il dispiegamento delle sue forze (la sua potenza militare è tale, che non basta il territorio israeliano per spiegarla completamente).
Nello stesso mese, Sharon sostituisce il capo di Stato Maggiore israeliano, Moshe Yaalon, con Dan Halutz.
E' un generale dell'Aviazione, ed è la prima volta nella storia che un pilota viene elevato al comando supremo.
L'uomo giusto al posto giusto, in vista di un bombardamento strategico dell'Iran.
Marzo 2005: il segretario generale della NATO va a Gerusalemme.
Lo scopo: "accrescere la deterrenza di Israele riguardo a potenziali nemici, come Iran e Siria".
Il povero, piccolo, indifeso Stato ebraico (terza potenza mondiale militare) deve farsi proteggere dagli europei.
A loro insaputa.
Infatti, pochi giorni, dopo il povero, indifeso e debole Sharon dà una "autorizzazione iniziale" per l'attacco alle installazioni nucleari iraniane di Natanz.
Aprile2005: grandi esercitazioni congiunte Usa-Israele specificamente intese a mettere a punto la difesa coi missili Patriot.

Nello stesso mese, Donald Rumsfeld compie visite ufficiali in Pakistan, Kirgizistan, Azerbaigian.
E qui, a Baku (la capitale), si accorda per un dispiegamento di truppe Usa al confine dell'Azerbaigian con l'Iran. L'America sta pagando (con 100 milioni di dollari) un sistema detto "Caspian Watch", che costringe i suoi nuovi alleati asiatici a pattugliare il Caspio in funzione anti-iraniana.
Basta guardare una mappa e si vede che, con il Pakistan, il Kirghizistan e l'Azerbaigian nell'orbita Usa, l'Iran è praticamente accerchiato da basi militari nemiche. E soprattutto da basi aeree poste a breve distanza dal suo territorio: poiché le installazioni atomiche iraniane sono sparse nel territorio, ci vorranno numerosi attacchi mirati da varie direzioni.

Aprile2005: Teheran firma un trattato di cooperazione militare col Tagikistan, l'unico pseudo-Stato dell'area non "alleato" agli Usa. Questo Stato fa parte dell'alleanza militare detta "Shangai Five", che comprende anche Russia e Cina.
Nello stesso aprile, Sharon incontra Bush in Texas: per dare gli ultimi ordini al servo noachita americano.
Fine aprile: il premier turco Erdogan è in visita ad Israele, anche lui costretto a piegarsi al padrone del mondo. Lo accompagna il ministro della difesa turco, Vecdi Gonul, che accede ad un accordo di cooperazione militare con lo Stato giudaico, fra cui la produzione congiunta di missili Arrow II e Popeye.

Come si vede tutto è pronto, non solo per l'attacco aereo (e non provocato) contro l'Iran.
Ma anche per un possibile e imprevedibile ampliamento del conflitto su scala mondiale, e con l'uso di armi atomiche.
 

une_une

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Ne SHBA po organizohet US Space Force nje programet me gjigande ka njohur ndonjehere njerezimi. Iridium satellite ring do behet Sierpinski(matematicien gjenial polak) detection and fighter satellite per asgjesimin nga 483milje ne lartesi me precizionin e qimes se flokut. Lexohen gazetat ne Moske nga Kozmosi? Fati i Iranit ku do ngele?
 

antares

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Po aq mire jane sa edhe kozmonautet kane 2 vjet qe ua hedhin ruset....
Tani se fundmi ruset u paraqiten faturen e u thane qe xhiro ne orbite aforfe s'ka.....
Po te doni t'u cojme paguani!
 

gurax

Pan ignoramus
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Sa mire do te ishte sikur Space Force (ose Buzz Lightyear) te mos merrej me gazetat e Moskes por me dy avione linjash qe iu drejtoheshin kullave te World Trade Center! Por eshte shume normale per ata me mendt e Buzz Lightyear, jetet e njerezve jane po njesoj te vlefshme si ne Moske, si ne Iran, si ne World Trade Center. Ata duhet vetem t'i numerojne e t'i perdorin keto shifra ku t'ju intersoje.


Go Buzz, go!

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une_une

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Fillimisht postuar nga antares:
[qb] Po aq mire jane sa edhe kozmonautet kane 2 vjet qe ua hedhin ruset....
Tani se fundmi ruset u paraqiten faturen e u thane qe xhiro ne orbite aforfe s'ka.....
Po te doni t'u cojme paguani! [/qb]
urax edhe antares kaq shpejte i harruat gjakun myslyman ne Ceceni por u futet me vrap ne krevat me ruset? Hah!
 

gurax

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Ah mor i shkrete! Dalengadale, sado qe logjika me thote jo, po mesohem me idene qe mund ta kesh ne rrace konceptin qe meqe X i bie Y, atehere edhe A eshte e drejte qe t'i bie B.
Kush e lavderoi ndonjehere masakren e Cecenise?

Ti je armiku me i rrezikshem i vetvetes or trim! Mos u cudit nese te tjeret do te te trajtojne sic nuk do te doje (ose dhe te trajtojne ndoshta). Shihu ndonjehere ne pasqyre.
 

arun

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Irani dhe plani “LM e madhe”

Presisenti i RII z. Khatemi, planin amerikan “LM e mesme e madhe” e cilesoi si nje skenar per te sunduar mbi LM dhe izolimin e fese Islame. Z. Khatemi deklaroi se shembull me i mire per nje LM te madhe eshte shembulli qe do te jete i bazuar dhe i pershtatshem me bazat e besimit dhe kultures se popujve te LM dhe ky shembull mund te shkaktoje krijimin e demokracive popullore ne kete rajon. Presidenti Iranian e cilesoi teper te rendesishme krijimin e demokracive popullore ne LM. Z. Khatemi kete ceshtje e cilesoi si menyren me te mire per tu cliruar nga shtypja dhe arritjen drejt nje perparimi dhe zhvillimi, si dhe per tu perballur me politikat shtypes edhe agresore te fuqive ekspansioniste. Pres. Iranian u kerkoi te gjitha vendeve te LM qe te mbeshtesin kerkesen e popullit per nje demkraci e cila do te jete e bazuar tek deshira dhe vulleneti i popujve dhe vlerat islamike. Amerika pas ngjarjeve te dyshimta te 11 shtatorit me parashtrimin e planit LM e madhe tenton te udheheqe me ndryshimet politico-ekonomike ne rajonin e LM. Amerika nen pretekstin e luftes kunder terrorizmit ka filluar perhapjen e mendimit per zhvillimin e reformave strkturore ne LM. Qellimi pefufndimtar i ketij plani eshte vendosja e Demokracise perendimore, lufta kunder kultures islamike dhe drejtimi i shoqerive islamike te LM drejt pranimit te metodave Kulturoror-shoqerore te perendimit. Ky plan perfundimisht do te coje ne sundimin e plote te tyre ne LM. LM eshte rajoni me i rendesishem gjeopolitik ne boten bashkekohore. Ky rajon per shkak te posedimit te burimeve te medha te naftes dhe gazit eshte motori kryesor i levizjes ekonomiko-industriale te botes. Ndricimi dhe transparenca e islamit i cili ka vene nen ndikim shoqerite njerezore i ka shqetesuar fuqite e botes. Shtremberimi i mesimeve fetare dhe politike te islamit dhe njollosja e tij, jane nga qellimet kryesor te amerikes ne planin LM e madhe. Ngjeshja e agresionit dhe terrorizmit fese islame dhe parashtrimi i teorive te gabauara mbu kundershtimin e islamit me perparimin dhe zhvillimin eshte ceshtje te cilen e ndjek amerika ne menyre serioze. Kjo eshte ne kohen kur islami eshte fe paqesore dhe humaniste. Menyra dhe shembulli ne bashkimin e muslimaneve dhe bashkejetesen midis shoqerive tregon me se miri kete ceshtje. Ai duke perkrahur te shtypurit dhe theksi mbi drejtesine,islamin si krijues te paqes, sigurise dhe stabilitetit ne bote per te gjithe popujt e botes.
 

antares

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Per te miren e paqes ne bote Irani duhet te kete Bomben Atomike sa me pare!

Give Persians The Bomb!

Arming Iran may be the world's only hope


By Kirill Pankratov )


A little qualifier from the beginning: I don't call for somebody to just give Iran a few nuclear bombs. What I am saying is that Iran in the next few years will develop a nuclear capability one way or another. And that, overall, will be better for the world security.

Iran's nuclear program was a subject of much hypocritical nonsense lately. The Bushies are pumping up all kinds of war hysteria. Europeans pontificate over the incentives and legalistic mumbo-jumbo to make Ayatollahs open up and slow down their nuclear activities. And Russians assure that no, of course Iran has no intention of acquiring nukes, this is just idle talk, it will just return all the reprocessed radioactive material from the atomic power station Russia is building at Bushehr. It's like "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

There is a joke about two crocodiles deciding to taunt a monkey who is sitting on a riverbank. "Let's ask her if she is married," says one croc to another. "If she replies yes, we'd say 'Gee, what an idiot married such an ugly monkey!' If no, we'll say: 'Of course, who would marry such an ugly monkey!'" But when they swam by and asked her, she had a better answer: "How can anyone get married when all you see around here are **** -faced crocodiles!"

The question is not whether Iran does or does not want to build a nuke. Who wouldn't, when all you see in the neighborhood are **** -faced...you get the idea.

Iran quite rightly feels surrounded by dangerous crocs. It had two neighboring countries invaded by a hostile superpower, with hundreds of thousands of troops near its border. Pakistan and India, the biggest regional powers, are nuclear. Russia -- the former "Satan from the North" has plenty of them. Everybody knows that Israel has nukes, perhaps up to several hundred bombs. If Iran will acquire some atomic bombs, it will not destabilize the regional balance-it will make the situation more symmetrical and stable.

Iran isn't the worst or the most dangerous regime around there. It has plenty of flaws. And yet it is far more open, tolerant and democratic than most of its neighbors. It has some political prisoners, but probably no more than Turkey, which does not tolerate any dissent related to Kurdish question. Iran has not been the aggressor in all its conflicts in recent decades. On the contrary, it has been a victim of aggressions, in particular a terrible war initiated by Saddam, who was tacitly supported by US (and by the Soviet Union which sold to Iraq billions of dollars of weapons).

One frequent charge thrown at Iran is that it supports Hezbollah terrorist activities in Lebanon. It is true to some extent, although Hezbollah is largely a homegrown affair. Besides, who didn't mess in Lebanon recently? US, Israel, Syria messed big time. Iran's involvement is far smaller.

As I mentioned already, Iran with nukes will actually be a stabilizing factor. Let me be clear on this: America today is ruled by thugs, who are more and more prone to utterly idiotic and dangerous misadventures. It is not just a matter of the Bush clan, or the Fox disinformation machine, as many liberals claim. The Bushies don't have any real opposition-you can't be kidding yourself with the pathetic chirping of the Democrats. There are no "checks and balances," no matter what constitutional and other clauses legal bookworms can dig up, and no matter how many allegedly independent TV talking heads and newspapers columnists are there endlessly mumbling various political minutiae.

There isn't much specifically "neocon," "Texan," "Republican" or even "American" about that. There is a simpler, more primal reason. Basically, America is doing this because it can. That's why every schoolyard bully does it. Power is intoxicating by itself, and makes one progressively more delusional. It usually ends badly, but can persist for quite a while with relative impunity. The only thing that can bring bare minimum of sense to a drunken bully is to have a big, sweaty, hairy fist two inches from his face. A really hard kick in the *** will surely work better, but there is a chance that less violent methods will do. It is called deterrence. And-I'll give you a little secret-it works.

The first time the world encountered its full implication was during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, which came pretty close to war. And the possibility of a devastating nuclear war had a real sobering effect on those who actually mattered. There were crazies on both sides who wanted to launch a massive war-some Kennedy cabinet ministers and military brass, a few Soviet generals and Politburo dummies, and Fidel Castro. These were precisely the people who hadn't actually had fingers on the little red button. By contrast, the bombastic, boot-banging Khrushchev was a paragon of sanity in the crisis: he eventually abandoned an indefensible position, but not before extracting reasonable concessions from the other side.

America's problem with Iran is to a large extent psychological. They had been caught with their pants down and kicked in the butt really hard when their puppet Shah regime collapsed so quickly and unexpectedly in 1979. Then a bunch of crazy students overran the US Embassy and took most of the personnel hostages, keeping them for 444 days before release.

It was a pretty painful episode. I can sympathize-Americans were right to feel outraged, even considering how much they messed and fucked up in Iran themselves. Yet it wasn't the worst hostage-taking affair in history, by a long shot. The hostages were treated reasonably well. No one of them was killed or seriously hurt. There is no comparison with the murderers Osama or Basayev, who was waxing philosophically on the British TV channel several months after his gang shot men point-blank, raped schoolgirls and made small children drink urine, and ended in bloody inferno with the killing of hundreds of hostages in Beslan.

In fact the biggest danger to lives of American hostages came on April 24, 1980, when the Carter administration, particularly the idiot Brzezinski, attempted a totally hare-brained operation to rescue them. The operation collapsed thousands miles from Tehran, ending in a smoldering wreckage of several American planes and helicopters in the middle of Iranian desert. And that was for the better-if they managed to get to Tehran, it could have ended in the deaths of many hostages. This misadventure had no chance of success, despite claims about just a few unlucky coincidences. It was as if during the WWII some bumpkin from a distant Cossack village claimed that, had he not fallen drunk from his horse right at the doorsteps, he could come to the front and take on the whole Panzer division swinging his saber.

Americans will have to get over the Embassy hostage-taking affair. Russians did. Russians in fact had it much worse. Exactly 150 years before the Khomeini revolution, in February 1829, a raging mob spurred by mullahs overran the Russian Embassy in Tehran, killing almost everybody inside, including the famous writer Griboyedov, who was the Russian envoy there. It was in the middle of the Cold War between two superpowers-British and Russian empires, although it was called "The Great Game" then. Iran was the primary ground for intrigues, spies, palace coups. These big powers professed freedom, progress, women's rights (the Russian Embassy in particular gave refuge to two Armenian girls who were forcibly made into Shah's harem)-sound familiar? Yet Russians somehow managed to overcome these bitter memories long ago-at least I don't remember anybody bitching about it in my time.

I don't advocate letting everyone have a bomb. There are some real loonies out there-North Korea, for example. I would also trust Pakistan much less with their nukes than Iranians. But Iran passes the basic sanity test-far better than many others. Certainly better than the US itself, whose behavior, particularly under the Bushies, is by far the most dangerous factor in the region.

Yes, a nuclear Iran will make the neighborhood-and the world-more secure. Just consider: Iran never had ties to Al Qaeda, whereas the US bankrolled Osama's start-up during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Iran was always in a near-state of war with the Taliban when the US was looking for ways to accommodate them. And Iran went to war with Saddam Hussein ten years before the Americans got wise.

Iran should have a bomb-to keep in check all these gangsters roaming around its region, and to keep America from behaving totally insanely. So here is my modest proposal to all who pile on Iran: to shut the **** up and let it join the club-the nuclear one.
 

gurax

Pan ignoramus
Re: Re te zeza mbi Iran, Is Iran Next?

Re te zeza mbi Iran, Is Iran Next?

Te shpresojme qe jo dhe te shpresojme qe historia e Irakut me impjantet e armeve kimike dhe baktereologjike per te cilat disponoheshin prova reale, te mos perseritet.


It looks increasingly clear that traces of enriched uranium found by IAEA inspectors on centrifuge parts in Iran were contamination from their supplier.

This news destroys what might have been a powerful line of evidence suggesting Iran was pressing ahead with a secret uranium enrichment programme.

So where do these latest revelations leave US and European efforts to halt Iran's enrichment activities?

Western governments hoped the traces of highly enriched uranium found in Iran would be positive proof that the Iranians had already embarked upon a secret enrichment programme.


Nderkohe qe ne Irak, gjendja behet keq e me keq cdo dite...

A race is developing to determine whether Iraq can evolve into a stable country before US President George W Bush's term ends in January 2009.

But General Peter Schoomaker, the US Army's Chief of Staff, told the Washington Post recently that the army was planning for four more years in Iraq.


O marine, whence art thou? Still brave, utopic and liberating?
 

skenda5

Primus registratum
Re: Re te zeza mbi Iran, Is Iran Next?

une mendoj se qeveria e iranit dhe e siris jan te vetmet qeveri ne lindje qe nuk jan qeveri tradhtare.por amerikanet kurr nuk do te guxojn te hyjn atje sepse atje jan 99% shi-ita
dhe nuk do te ken mundesi qe ti perqjan si ne irak.por nese hyn amerika ne iran atehr ajo(amerika)ka ber vetvrasje,sepse kjo do ti bashkonte myslimanet edhe me teper,dhe do te binden ata se lufta e amerikes eshte lufte kunder Islamit e jo kunder disa personave.
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
Re: Re te zeza mbi Iran, Is Iran Next?

Skënder, po të baj nji pytje. Islami a ka pare? Po t'kishte pare Islami me siguri do t'ishte n'luft me SH.B.A po fatkeqsisht Islami nuk i jep pare Amerikës apo Anglis kshuqi lufta nuk bëhet kundër myslimanve por për çfar gjendet apo kalon nëpër tokat e myslymanve.
Hapi syt se rron mbi tok e jo si urithi nën te /pf/images/graemlins/tongue.gif .
 

ndricim

Primus registratum
Re: Re te zeza mbi Iran, Is Iran Next?

Kondrapedali
Ato tokat e muslimaneve qe ka okupuar Izraeli nuk i ka dhene pare çifuteve por ka shpenzuar pare, as USA ne Irak nuk i kishte planet per ta bere Irakun siç po ndodh tani. Ti thua qe lufta ne Irak eshte per pare ndersa Bushi thote se ishte per qellime demokratike, por ne realitet aty eshte lufta Hebre dhe Musliman.
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
Re: Re te zeza mbi Iran, Is Iran Next?

Klean, nuk dëshiroj të të jap disa leksione gjeopolitike pasi ngjaj dhe si mendjemadh por të këshilloj të shohësh se çfarë e çon botën përpara, përfshi edhe fenë.
Në Palestinë Izraeli ato toka që nuk i sjellin fitime po i lëshon pasi sot nuk është më toka (në hektarë) që vlen por pasuritë e saj. Lartësitë Golan Izraeli nuk do t'i lëshojë kurrë sepse me to Izraeli përmbush 36% të nevojave të tij me ujë.
SH.B.A për demokracinë në Irak nuk kishte harxhu as edhe nji cent e përsa i përket fesë Iraku ishte "kërcënimi" më i vogël ndaj SH.B.A. Kështuqë arsyet kërkoi gjetiu. Afganistani nëse nuk e din, është territori nga ku kalojnë gjithë linjat e naftës me të cilat furnizohet Kina nga ku del edhe arsyeja e vërtetë e pushtimit të tij.
Megjithatë, për dikë që shtrihet e gdhihet me fenë në kokë, arsyet e tjera nuk munden të egzistojnë pasi në trurin e nji besimtari të tillë nuk egziston asgjë tjetër përveç Allahut e VETES /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif .
 
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