IRANI ben boooom!

IRANI ben boooom!

Iran says it has enriched uranium for first time
Iran has produced enough low-grade enriched uranium to power nuclear plants, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced today. "I officially announce that Iran has joined countries with nuclear technology," he said. White House spokesman Scott McClellan reacted to the news by saying Tehran is "moving in the wrong direction."
 

Shkoder_Shpirt

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Terrorista quani ju njerzit e thjeshte ,te semuret ne spitale apo femijet e shkollave ,si dhe turistet qe po kalojne pushime dhe bombardimiet e aeroportit.Turp eshte per te ardhur keq epo mbase dhe ju jeni familje cifute e strehur nga familje shqiptare qe
 

MLK

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Ne mbledhjen e fundit te Kombeve te Bashkuara,perfaqesuesi i SHBA-se ishte i vetmi qe vuri veton kundra nje rezolucioni per te denuar qendrimin e Israelit /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ne nje kohe qe te gjithe pjestaret e tjere votuan rezolucionin /pf/images/graemlins/angel.gif
 

blabla

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Cudi kjo qe thu MLK.
UN ka thone e ka fajin Libani jo Israeli dhe forcat paqe-mbajtese duhen derguar ne Liban.
 

MLK

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Ne rezoluten ne fjale ka nuanca e kjo qe shkruajta me siper ishte "ensenca" e rezolutes. Ne te denohet Jesbollah dhe rrembimi i ushtareve Israelit, por ne te njeten kohe denohet dhe nderhyrja ushtarake ne teritoret e Libanit, e kete te fundit amerikanet nuk pranojne ta kundershtojne nepermjet rezolutes.
 

i_own_u

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heuuuu se kan votuar Amerikanet ???

çudi

ne 60 vjet jet e OKB-s un se di qe Amerika ta ket ngritur as edhe nje her doren ne mbi 1900 ankesa qe shtet arabe te jen ankuar ndaj krimineleve e terroristeve Izraelit

si esht e mundur...?

vetem dje ne nje mikrobuz vdiqen 16 pjestar te nje familje ku 8 fmi u dogjen te gjall

kto jan krime barbare

se di po kam bindjen qe nese Irani do ta zoteronte teknollogjin berthamore kjo luft s'do kishte filluar

larguan Sirin nga Libani ska as edhe nje vit tashi bojn qef duke eksperimentuar bomba nga me te ndryshmet e duke terrorizuar popullin paqsor Libanez

ZOTI VONON POR S'HARRON
 

Ema

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Re: Izrael-Liban

Izraeli po perdor arme kimike te ndaluara.
G8 ka mbeshtetur gjithnje Izraelin(interesat ekonomike dhe politike) po harron se po futen ne lufte(fatkeqsisht dhe Siria dhe Irani) dhe nuk do jete kollaj kesaj here...

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Edhe ky idioti Berluska thote:"Ne mbeshtesim Izralein (Shyqyr qe s'eshte me ne qeveri.)
 

MLK

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Ky konflikt eshte ndermjet Izraelit dhe shiteve te hesbollah te cilet mbeshteten nga Siria dhe Irani.
Siria per vete rri jashte konfliktit pasi se ka me kapacitetin ushtarak te kunderpergjigjet.
Irani ne kete rast ka leverdi qe konflikti te zgjatet pasi ne kete menyre zhvendos vemendjen nga problemi i tij per armet berthamore ne kete konflikt te krijuar.
Gjithashtu Irani eshte i vetmi qe mund te negocioje me Hesbollah, por qe ta beje diçka te tille, nga ana tjeter do ti kerkoje perendimit qe te tregohen me "indulgjent" ndaj tij ne çeshtjen nukleare.
Kjo eshte strategji e perpiluar prej kohesh pasi ndodhi pikerisht disa dite perpara mbledhjes se G8 (e cila kishte per qellim te diskutonte problemin iranian e u kthye ne nje mbledhje ku u diskutua ekslyzivisht per konfliktin Libani-Izraelit).
Ne kete histori harohet populli libanez i cili paguan me gjakun dhe ekonomine e tij problemet gjeopolitike qe ka perendimi ne lindjen e mesme, e ky eshte nje turp i vertet per shitesit e moralit demokratik.
 

Erind

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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Citim:</font><hr />
Ky konflikt eshte ndermjet Izraelit dhe shiteve te hesbollah te cilet mbeshteten nga Siria dhe Irani.
Siria per vete rri jashte konfliktit pasi se ka me kapacitetin ushtarak te kunderpergjigjet.
Irani ne kete rast ka leverdi qe konflikti te zgjatet pasi ne kete menyre zhvendos vemendjen nga problemi i tij per armet berthamore ne kete konflikt te krijuar.
Gjithashtu Irani eshte i vetmi qe mund te negocioje me Hesbollah, por qe ta beje diçka te tille, nga ana tjeter do ti kerkoje perendimit qe te tregohen me "indulgjent" ndaj tij ne çeshtjen nukleare.
Kjo eshte strategji e perpiluar prej kohesh pasi ndodhi pikerisht disa dite perpara mbledhjes se G8 (e cila kishte per qellim te diskutonte problemin iranian e u kthye ne nje mbledhje ku u diskutua ekslyzivisht per konfliktin Libani-Izraelit).
Ne kete histori harohet populli libanez i cili paguan me gjakun dhe ekonomine e tij problemet gjeopolitike qe ka perendimi ne lindjen e mesme, e ky eshte nje turp i vertet per shitesit e moralit demokratik.

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Analizes tende nuk i leviz as nje pike, por mar parasysh dhe nje pik pamje tjeter. Israeli ka nje shtet te regjur me politiken e rajonit dhe para se te marri nje vendim, e trajton ne shkalle analizuesish dhe keshilltaresh, pra nuk mendoj ta kene marre kete konfliktin kaq rrok e pyk!
 

MLK

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Izraeli, nese donte te rekuperonte dy ushtaret e tij ne Liban, nuk kishte asnje arsye te godiste objektet civile ne Liban (centrale, ura, autostrada..) Me kete goditje, i dergon nje mesazh te qarte Evropes dhe Japonise, te cilet jane donatoret kryesore te Libanit (sa here qe duhet rindertuar Libani, Evropa dhe japonia fusin doren ne xhep).
Per momentin, imazhet e luftes nuk kane degraduar akoma nderhyrjen e Izraelit, keshtu qe Izraeli vazhdon te spastroje kufirin Izraelo-Libanez nga bazat e hesbollah.
Nje zgjatje konfliktit si intereson asnje pale, pasi humbjet jane te medha per te gjithe, dhe Izraeli e di shume mire qe nuk mund te asgjesoje Hesbollah, pasi eshte nje ushtri qe dhe pse me disa mijera ushtare, ka rreth 20 vjet ekpserience.
 

Erind

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Besoj e di qe ONU, i ka ven 'rezolut' qeverise libanese per shperberjen ushtarake te levizjes hesbollah vite me pare. Pra, po sjellim fakte qe konflikti ka ngjyra te tjera dhe nuk mund te analizohet me mendimin e thjesht i keq apo i mire!
 

ladouce2005

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Me falni qe nuk kam kohe t'a perkthej, por ju lutem lexojeni kete artikull se eshte interesant...

From Joe McCain-brother of John McCain

I came across this Op-Ed piece and thought it had to be shared with all good people. The warning goes to all those anti-semites and anti-Zionists in the world. It is aimed at those who believe the Israelis will go quietly as did our six million brethren in the Shoa.

Senator John McCain's brother on The Jews &amp; Israel.

There is a lot of worry popping up in the media just now -- "Can Israel Survive?" Don't worry about it. It relates to something that Palestinians, the Arabs, and perhaps most Americans don't realize -- the Jews are never going quietly again. Never. And if the world doesn't come to understand that, then millions of Arabs are going to die. It's as simple as that.

Throughout the history of the world, the most abused, kicked-around race of people have been the Jews. Not just during the holocaust of World War II, but for thousands of years. They have truly been "The Chosen People" in a terrible and tragic sense.

The Bible story of Egypt's enslavement of the Jews is not just a story, it is history, if festooned with theological legend and heroic epics. In 70 A.D. the Romans, which had for a long time tolerated the Jews -- even admired them as 'superior' to other vassals -- tired of their truculent demands for independence and decided on an early "Solution" to the Jewish problem. Jerusalem was sacked and reduced to near rubble, Jewish resistance was pursued and crushed by the implacable Roman War Machine -- see 'Masada'. And thus began The Diaspora, the dispersal of Jews throughout the rest of the world.

Their homeland destroyed, their culture crushed, they looked desperately for the few niches in a hostile world where they could be safe. That safety was fragile, and often subject to the whims of moody hosts. The words 'pogrom', 'ghetto', and 'anti-Semitism' come from this treatment of the first mono-theistic people. Throughout Europe, changing times meant sometimes tolerance, sometimes even warmth for the Jews, but eventually it meant hostility, then malevolence. There is not a country in Europe or Western Asia that at one time or another has not decided to lash out against the children of Moses, sometimes by whim, sometimes by manipulation.

Winston Churchill calls Edward I one of England's very greatest kings. It was under his rule in the late 1200's that Wales and Cornwall were hammered into the British crown, and Scotland and Ireland were invaded and occupied. He was also the first European monarch to set up a really effective administrative bureaucracy, surveyed and censused his kingdom, established laws and political divisions. But he also embraced the Jews.

Actually Edward didn't embrace Jews so much as he embraced their money. For the English Jews had acquired wealth -- understandable, because this people that could not own land or office, could not join most of the trades and professions, soon found out that money was a very good thing to accumulate. Much harder to take away than land or a store, was a hidden sock of gold and silver coins. Ever resourceful, Edward found a way -- he borrowed money from the Jews to finance imperial ambitions in Europe, especially France. The loans were almost certainly not made gladly, but how do you refuse your King? Especially when he is 'Edward the Hammer'. Then, rather than pay back the debt, Edward simply expelled the Jews. Edward was especially inventive -- he did this twice. After a time, he invited the Jews back to their English homeland, borrowed more money, then expelled them again.

Most people do not know that Spain was one of the early entrants into The Renaissance. People from all over the world came to Spain in the late medieval period. All were welcome -- Arabs, Jews, other Europeans. The University of Salamanca was one of the great centers of learning in the world -- scholars of all nations, all fields came to Salamanca to share their knowledge and their ideas. But in 1492, Ferdinand and Isabella, having driven the last of Moors from the Spanish Shield, were persuaded by the righteous fundamentalists of the time to announce "The Act of Purification". A series of steps were taken in which all Jews and Arabs and other non-Christians were expelled from the country, or would face the tools and the torches of The Inquisition. From this 'cleansing' come the Sephardic Jews -- as opposed to the Ashkenazis of Eastern Europe. In Eastern Europe, the sporadic violence and brutality against Jews are common knowledge. 'Fiddler' without the music and the folksy humor. At times of fury, no accommodation by the Jew was good enough, no profile low enough, no village poor enough or distant enough.

From these come the near-steady flow of Jews to the United States. And despite the disdain of the Jews by most 'American' Americans, they came to grab the American Dream with both hands, and contributed everything from new ideas of enterprise in retail and entertainment to becoming some of our finest physicians and lawyers. The modern United States, in spite of itself, IS The United States in part because of its Jewish blood.

Then the Nazi Holocaust -- the corralling, sorting, orderly eradication of millions of the people of Moses. Not something that other realms in other times didn't try to do, by the way, the Germans were just more organized and had better murder technology.


I stood in the center of Dachau for an entire day, about 15 years ago, trying to comprehend how this could have happened. I had gone there on a side trip from Munich, vaguely curious about this Dachau. I soon became engulfed in the enormity of what had occurred there nestled in this middle and working class neighborhood.

How could human beings do this to other human beings, hear their cries, their pleas, their terror, their pain, and continue without apparently even wincing? I no longer wonder. At some times, some places, ANY sect of the human race is capable of horrors against their fellow man, whether a member of the Waffen SS, a Serbian sniper, a Turkish policeman in 1920's Armenia, a Mississippi Klansman. Because even in the United States not all was a Rose Garden. For a long time Jews had quotas in our universities and graduate schools. Only so many Jews could be in a medical or law school at one time. Jews were disparaged widely. I remember as a kid Jewish jokes
told without a wince - "Why do Jews have such big noses?"

Well, now the Jews have a homeland again. A place that is theirs. And that's the point. It doesn't matter how many times the United States and European powers try to rein in Israel, if it comes down to survival of its nation, its people, they will fight like no lioness has ever fought to save her cubs. They will fight with a ferocity, a determination, and a skill, that will astound us.

And many will die, mostly their attackers, I believe. If there were a macabre historical betting parlor, my money would be on the Israelis to be standing at the end. As we killed the kamikazes and the Wehrmacht soldaten of World War II, so will the Israelis kill their suicidal attackers, until there are not enough to torment them.

The irony goes unnoticed -- while we are hammering away to punish those who brought the horrors of last September here, we restrain the Israelis from the same retaliation. Not the same thing, of course -- We are We, They are They. While we mourn and seethe at September 11th, we don't notice that Israel has a September 11th sometimes every day.

We may not notice, but it doesn't make any difference. And it doesn't make any difference whether you are pro-Israeli or you think Israel is the bully of the Middle East. If it comes to where a new holocaust looms -- with or without the concurrence of the United States and Europe -- Israel will lash out without pause or restraint at those who would try to annihilate their country.

The Jews will not go quietly again.

Joe McCain
 

Shkoder_Shpirt

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Kofi Annan kerkoi qe ne Liban te hyjne forcat e bashkuara pra trupat amerikan pse jo qe Lbanezet ne vend qe te mbrohen te kthehen me keq se Iraku apo tjua servire izraelit meze ne pjate Libanezet.
E nxorri fetyren Usa shume shpejt .
Usa po mbikqyr Irakun kuptohet vendet e tjra si Bahrin Kuvajt si ka problem te vendose bazat ushtarake ne Liban qe te kete nen kontroll Sirine ,palestinen.dhe pse jo Peshkun e madhe Iranin ,PASTAJ VJEN eGJIPTI dhe keshtu merr fund lindja e mesme.
 

ladouce2005

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S'kane shume interes te marre fund Lindja e Mesme. Duan t'a kontrollojne pa u dukur ne skene. Bota dhe politika e tille eshte. Sic kane ndejtur spektatore per ne shqiptaret gjate tere procesit te copetimit si komb, e shperberjes deri ne ditet e sotme me mergimtare, ashtu do vazhdojne dhe ne kohen prezente, me Irak, Liban e shume vende te tjera "te pafuqishme" karshi forces se US.
Pse kemi kaq tmerr t'a pranojme? Mendime mund te japim pafundesisht, por historia ecen e shkruhet gjithmone nga nje dore e fuqishme qe ngjyen penen ne gjak te popullit /pf/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 

genci

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Amerika po dergon 5 WarShips ne rajon per te terhequr amerikante.. me e forta eshte se per shtetasit e vet amerika kerkon qe keta te fundit te paguajne per terheqjen e tyre.. o jeten o paret (lol tregon pak sa thelle kane hy cifutat ne amerike)
 

regele

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Regele, të lutem komentet racore mbaji për raste të tjera.

Faleminderit.
 

blabla

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Re: Izrael-Liban

O shkoder,
USA ka pyet nenshtetasit e vet te paguajne te dalin nga Libani? Ti thu per rob koti apo per diplomatic core?
Se per njerez te rregullt detyrimisht qe do paguash...ky nuk esht humanitarian mission (i cili ka rregulla te tjera)...
 

Kondrapedali

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Hmmmm, kur ke pa ti që shtetasit t'i kërkohen pare për ta nxjerrë nga një zonë lufte? Që kur qenka bërë kaq normale? Kjo është kulmi i cinizmit që kur të bien bombat mbi kokë të bësh edhe pazar.

Gjynah për ata që vdesin por disa qeveri perëndimore i kanë dënuar vetë qytetarët e tyre të cilët ndodheshin në Liban. Duke mbështetur Izraelin e duke e nxjerrë sulmin ndaj Libanit jo si agresion por si një reaksion, ata kanë vonuar nxjerrjen e nënshtetasve të tyre nga Libani duke shkaktuar vdekjen e dhjetrave prej tyre në disa raste.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-07-16-voa41.cfm

Paturpësia e SHBA dhe Kanadasë në këtë krizë arrin deri aty sa të fajësojë Hezbollah për bombat e Izraelit. Pra vazhdon politika e menderosur ku i pafajshmi përveç se vritet edhe përcillet me mashtrime.
 

i_own_u

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dhe te imagjinosh qe kte vit ne Liban do ishte rekord per turizmin
Libani me 1 jav bombardime esht shkatrruar totalisht... depozitat e grurit, te karburanteve urat, te gjitha mbikalimet ne te gjitha qytetet aeroporti dhe 4 çentralet elektrik me te rendesishem te shtetit plus qe kan debuar me ate taktik te ndyr terrori duke bombarduar shtepia ne çdo fshat te jugut per te debuar qytetaret nga atje per te hap terror JAN LARGUAR DERI ME SOT MBI 700.000 PERSONA NGA JUGU se çlidhje kan kto shkatrrime civile barbar me dy ushtar te grabit vetem Bushi e ajo mami vet e din

sidoqoft me kto katjushkat e Hezbollahve u vertetua qe qielli i Izraelit nuk esht off limits kshuqe per mendimin tim po i afrohet dita e zhdukjes i shtetit TERRORIST IZRAELIT dhe bota do jetoj ne liri totale ne te 4 cepat e kontinentit larg çifuteve qe jan jasht çdo natyre ne ate vend e kudo qe jan sepse vetem per te keq jan E KA VERTETUAR KOHA kudo qe kan jetuar vetem probleme kan nxierr PLERAT
 

blabla

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Re: Izrael-Liban

KP
Tani gjynof na vjen per kanadezet e vrare, po mos valle jeta e kanadezeve esht (universalisht) mo me vlera se jeta e libanezeve qe po vdesin?

Sa per usa, shteti ka per detyre te nxjerri nga vendet tjera njerez qe ka derguar atje, i.e. diplomatic mission and personnel. Investoret, businessmenet dhe turistat e dine qe disa vende kane risk politik dhe jan marre parasysh kto gjera para se te shkojne atje. Pastaj, mesa di un $300 duhet te paguanin US citizens per kte service. Kjo esht si pune taxe.

US ka bere gafa te tjera, po mos e beni qimen tra per kte.
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
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Hmmm, pse të jetë 300 $ e jo 10 000? Sigurisht që po si punë takse do konsiderohej, mbi jetën. Evakuimi bëhet para apo pasi të bëhet pagesa? Pagesa duhet bërë me çek, monedhë, kartë krediti, apo me mënyra të tjera? /pf/images/graemlins/tonguee.gif

Shteti ka për detyrë të sigurojë jetën e shtetasve të tij në çdo cep të botës e në çdo situatë. S'besoj se SHBA apo Kanadaja janë shtete si ai shqiptar që nuk lëviz gishtin për pronën e tij (pashaportat bie fjala).

Ata kanadezë që u vranë (5 nga të cilët ishin fëmijë të një familjeje) ishin me origjinë libaneze e ishin kthyer në atdhe për pushime. Ashtu si edhe për libanezët e tjerë nuk i rruhet shumë politikanëve nëse vriten apo jo, ata janë thjesht të panjohur si qindra-mijëra të tjerë që vdesin çdo ditë.

Problemi kryesor në këtë situatë qëndron në sulmin barbar të Izraelit ndaj popullsisë civile madje pa lajmëruar as aleatët e tij për të tërhequr nënshtetasit e vet.

Thonë që në këtë botë çdo bësh do ta pësosh. Edhe Izraeli (çifutët) dikur do ta pësojë por më keq se çdo herë tjetër. Nuk e di në do jetë ndonjë bombë në qiell të pastër apo ndonjë fatkeqësi tjetër por dikur do ndodhi....
 
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