Holokausti ndaj femrave
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Re: Holokausti ndaj femrave
Ndryshimi mes ksaj edhe Rushdie esht qe nqs rushdie mbase ka patur aftesine te influencoje disa njerez permjet shkrimeve te tija (qe per opinionin tim jan kompletisht buddallalleqe me damke), kjo esht vetem nje sexually-frustrated, man-hating, intellectually inferior being.
Ndryshimi mes ksaj edhe Rushdie esht qe nqs rushdie mbase ka patur aftesine te influencoje disa njerez permjet shkrimeve te tija (qe per opinionin tim jan kompletisht buddallalleqe me damke), kjo esht vetem nje sexually-frustrated, man-hating, intellectually inferior being.
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Re: Holokausti ndaj femrave
Budallalleqe me damke?! Pa te shohim nje here...
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Islam strongly opposes idolatry, polytheism, associating anything or anyone with God. In fact, Islam's creed in Arabic begins with a negative: Not is there a god except God. It contrasts sharply with the contention of Muhammad's Arab contemporaries that God had associates. Some of these associates are even mentioned in the Qur'an, among them three female deities: al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. Each had a shrine in separate places not far from Mecca in Arabia, where Muhammad was born and began his mission. They were even considered to be daughters of God!
The Qur'an, as it now reads, obviously rejects these deities. But—and here comes the issue—did the Qur'an and Muhammad always reject them?
While Muhammad was in Mecca, his followers were few, his movement grew painfully slowly and he, too, felt the pain of estrangement from his tribe. According to early and treasured biographical and historical accounts of Muhammad, authored by competent Muslim scholars (such as writings of at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d), Muhammad longed for better relations and reconciliation with his community. Thereafter, the accounts continue, God revealed Surah 53 to Muhammad up to and including vss. 19, 20. These two verses read:
Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)
Then, originally, the verses (known today as the satanic verses) followed:
These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for.
The cranes whose intercession was recognized were, of course, the three deities. The same accounts tell us that after this revelation was completed, Muhammad, his followers and the pagan Arabs all prostrated. Tensions eased, reconciliation was at hand, and all were delighted.
But Muhammad soon retracted the reconciliation—how soon is not clear. For the account continues that Jibril (Gabriel), the angel of revelation, informed Muhammad that Satan had used Muhammad's desire for reconciliation with the pagan leaders to insert into the revelation of God the verses about the interceding cranes, otherwise called "the satanic verses". The verses which follow, not the satanic verses, serve as the proper sequence to 53:19,20 (above):
Are yours the males and His the females?
That indeed were an unfair division! (53:21,22)
In other words: When you Arabs have sons (whom you prefer to daughters!), how unfair of you to say that God has daughters! The idea of a plurality of gods or goddesses or sons or daughters of God is ridiculous. God alone is God. The three goddesses are false.
Two other passages from the Qur'an are considered to have reference to the compromise between Muhammad and the Arabs, and Muhammad's eventual rejection of it. The first reads:
And they indeed strove to beguile thee (Muhammad) away from that wherewith We (God) have inspired thee, that thou shouldst invent other than it against Us; and then would they have accepted thee as a friend.
And if We had not made thee wholly firm thou mightest almost have inclined unto them a little.
Then had We made thee taste a double (punishment) of living and a double (punishment) of dying, then hadst thou found no helper against Us. (17:73-75)
The second passage is intended to comfort Muhammad:
Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;
That He may make that which the devil proposeth a temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease, and those whose hearts are hardened –Lo! the evil-doers are in open schism. (22:52,53)
On the basis of these verses especially, the contemporary designation "The Satanic Verses" arises.
It is not our intention here to defend Rushdie and his book. On the other hand, it is clear that Rushdie did not invent the satanic verse.
Muhammad claimed that his Quran was above human invention. He challenged anyone, including "jinn" to produce something like the Quran. Well, we see that Satan was able to do so. Gabriel had to confront Muhammad with the fact that those "Satanic Verses" were not Allah's words. And note, all of the Muhammadans, i.e., Muhammad's followers, also prostrated when Muhammad prostrated. They did not realize that a false Quran had been spoken. Obviously, this "Quran" is not that special; even Satan was able to bring forth similar material.
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... etj, por kjo eshte tere strumbullari me sa di une.
PS: Postimi mund te konsiderohet brenda temes nese permbajtja shihet me syrin e "holokaustit ndaj femrave" qe ne kohet e lashta dhe i perqafuar edhe nga feja!
Budallalleqe me damke?! Pa te shohim nje here...
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Islam strongly opposes idolatry, polytheism, associating anything or anyone with God. In fact, Islam's creed in Arabic begins with a negative: Not is there a god except God. It contrasts sharply with the contention of Muhammad's Arab contemporaries that God had associates. Some of these associates are even mentioned in the Qur'an, among them three female deities: al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. Each had a shrine in separate places not far from Mecca in Arabia, where Muhammad was born and began his mission. They were even considered to be daughters of God!
The Qur'an, as it now reads, obviously rejects these deities. But—and here comes the issue—did the Qur'an and Muhammad always reject them?
While Muhammad was in Mecca, his followers were few, his movement grew painfully slowly and he, too, felt the pain of estrangement from his tribe. According to early and treasured biographical and historical accounts of Muhammad, authored by competent Muslim scholars (such as writings of at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d), Muhammad longed for better relations and reconciliation with his community. Thereafter, the accounts continue, God revealed Surah 53 to Muhammad up to and including vss. 19, 20. These two verses read:
Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)
Then, originally, the verses (known today as the satanic verses) followed:
These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for.
The cranes whose intercession was recognized were, of course, the three deities. The same accounts tell us that after this revelation was completed, Muhammad, his followers and the pagan Arabs all prostrated. Tensions eased, reconciliation was at hand, and all were delighted.
But Muhammad soon retracted the reconciliation—how soon is not clear. For the account continues that Jibril (Gabriel), the angel of revelation, informed Muhammad that Satan had used Muhammad's desire for reconciliation with the pagan leaders to insert into the revelation of God the verses about the interceding cranes, otherwise called "the satanic verses". The verses which follow, not the satanic verses, serve as the proper sequence to 53:19,20 (above):
Are yours the males and His the females?
That indeed were an unfair division! (53:21,22)
In other words: When you Arabs have sons (whom you prefer to daughters!), how unfair of you to say that God has daughters! The idea of a plurality of gods or goddesses or sons or daughters of God is ridiculous. God alone is God. The three goddesses are false.
Two other passages from the Qur'an are considered to have reference to the compromise between Muhammad and the Arabs, and Muhammad's eventual rejection of it. The first reads:
And they indeed strove to beguile thee (Muhammad) away from that wherewith We (God) have inspired thee, that thou shouldst invent other than it against Us; and then would they have accepted thee as a friend.
And if We had not made thee wholly firm thou mightest almost have inclined unto them a little.
Then had We made thee taste a double (punishment) of living and a double (punishment) of dying, then hadst thou found no helper against Us. (17:73-75)
The second passage is intended to comfort Muhammad:
Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;
That He may make that which the devil proposeth a temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease, and those whose hearts are hardened –Lo! the evil-doers are in open schism. (22:52,53)
On the basis of these verses especially, the contemporary designation "The Satanic Verses" arises.
It is not our intention here to defend Rushdie and his book. On the other hand, it is clear that Rushdie did not invent the satanic verse.
Muhammad claimed that his Quran was above human invention. He challenged anyone, including "jinn" to produce something like the Quran. Well, we see that Satan was able to do so. Gabriel had to confront Muhammad with the fact that those "Satanic Verses" were not Allah's words. And note, all of the Muhammadans, i.e., Muhammad's followers, also prostrated when Muhammad prostrated. They did not realize that a false Quran had been spoken. Obviously, this "Quran" is not that special; even Satan was able to bring forth similar material.
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... etj, por kjo eshte tere strumbullari me sa di une.
PS: Postimi mund te konsiderohet brenda temes nese permbajtja shihet me syrin e "holokaustit ndaj femrave" qe ne kohet e lashta dhe i perqafuar edhe nga feja!
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Re: Holokausti ndaj femrave
.... Ka raste qe edhe kur hapet kafazi, shpesh zogu nuk fluturon .... e njeta gje edhe kjo tema_se kishte keq Gjergj Kastrioti_Lirine nuk e solla une ..... e njejta gje dhe me femrat te pakta jane ato qe arrijne te jene me te vertet te lira, po ky nuk eshte faji im. Ne jete gjithçka hariet me perjekje, lufte e perkushtim.
ps. keta arabet e vegjel bejne mire qe keto idet e tyre fetare ti shfaqin aty ku duhet e jo ti kamuflojne ......
.... Ka raste qe edhe kur hapet kafazi, shpesh zogu nuk fluturon .... e njeta gje edhe kjo tema_se kishte keq Gjergj Kastrioti_Lirine nuk e solla une ..... e njejta gje dhe me femrat te pakta jane ato qe arrijne te jene me te vertet te lira, po ky nuk eshte faji im. Ne jete gjithçka hariet me perjekje, lufte e perkushtim.
ps. keta arabet e vegjel bejne mire qe keto idet e tyre fetare ti shfaqin aty ku duhet e jo ti kamuflojne ......
Re: Holokausti ndaj femrave
.......feja,familja,shkolla,shoqeria ....etj.te gjitha jane te lidhura zinxhir njera me tjetren ne krijimin e nje produkti qe quhet KULTURE.
Padyshim feja luan rolin kryesor ne kete proces.
Gjithsesi nuk mund ta quash "nenkategori"e te mohosh vlerat e saj,qofte ajo islamike,kristiane apo.....
.......feja,familja,shkolla,shoqeria ....etj.te gjitha jane te lidhura zinxhir njera me tjetren ne krijimin e nje produkti qe quhet KULTURE.
Padyshim feja luan rolin kryesor ne kete proces.
Gjithsesi nuk mund ta quash "nenkategori"e te mohosh vlerat e saj,qofte ajo islamike,kristiane apo.....
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Scorpion
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Re: Holokausti ndaj femrave
Femra, ose me sakte femra shqiptare perpiqet te jete e emancipuar, dhe elemente pozitive ka .... Por "ftohesh" direkt kur shikon se ka plot femra pa interesa, mjafton te kene nje te dashur me para, (i martuar apoj o, nuk u ben pershtypje) , nje makine dhe aq..... Nuk bejne asgje per personalitetin e tyre , për tu integruar ne nje shoqeri qe ecen shume shpejt dhe qe ta zhvesh masken e bukurise kollaj.
Femra, ose me sakte femra shqiptare perpiqet te jete e emancipuar, dhe elemente pozitive ka .... Por "ftohesh" direkt kur shikon se ka plot femra pa interesa, mjafton te kene nje te dashur me para, (i martuar apoj o, nuk u ben pershtypje) , nje makine dhe aq..... Nuk bejne asgje per personalitetin e tyre , për tu integruar ne nje shoqeri qe ecen shume shpejt dhe qe ta zhvesh masken e bukurise kollaj.
Re: Holokausti ndaj femrave
une mendoj qe femrat e demtojne vete veten e tyre ne cdo aspect. xhelozi, shpifje, inat, nenvleresim per njera tjetren.
per sa i perket komentit me lart nga Scorpion une mendoj qe ka ashtu lloj femrash kudo neper bote qe duan ta sigurojne jeten me ane te te pasurit nje mashkull me para.
ajo esthe menyra me e lehte per te fituar dhe per te humbur ne jete.
nje shok i vjeter i imi erdhi nga tirana ne ny dhe me tha qe gruaja e nje shoku tjeter la burrin ne tirane dhe iku u martua me nje tjeter ne gjermani (gjerman) sepse ai kisthe me shume para.
une per vete me erdhi keq per ate femer dhe i thashe shokut tim qe pse martohesh me ate te pasurin s'do te thote qe je pjese e pasurise se tij.
une mendoj qe femrat e demtojne vete veten e tyre ne cdo aspect. xhelozi, shpifje, inat, nenvleresim per njera tjetren.
per sa i perket komentit me lart nga Scorpion une mendoj qe ka ashtu lloj femrash kudo neper bote qe duan ta sigurojne jeten me ane te te pasurit nje mashkull me para.
ajo esthe menyra me e lehte per te fituar dhe per te humbur ne jete.
nje shok i vjeter i imi erdhi nga tirana ne ny dhe me tha qe gruaja e nje shoku tjeter la burrin ne tirane dhe iku u martua me nje tjeter ne gjermani (gjerman) sepse ai kisthe me shume para.
une per vete me erdhi keq per ate femer dhe i thashe shokut tim qe pse martohesh me ate te pasurin s'do te thote qe je pjese e pasurise se tij.
Re: Holokausti ndaj femrave
nje histori e vertete
"Ina" nga tirana u martua me nje cun nga dibra ketu ne NY. shkoi cuni nga ny ne tirane dhe zgjodhi inen bukuroshen per grua. dhe ina kishte nje plan te fuqishem. dhe u martua me te beri nje femije priti sa mori pashaporten americane, pa qe djali kishte shume para sepse kishte biznesse dhe nje dite e zgjuara ine tha dua te ndahem dhe sepse kishte pyetur ne rruge qe po te ndahej do ti merrte gjysmen e pasurise djalit dhe do ti merrte child support.
gues what?
shkoi ne gjyq pasuria ishte ne emer te vjerres dhe vjerrit dhe asjge nuk iu dha ines dhe asgje child support se burri figuronte pa te ardhura.
ina pastaj iu fut well fare me zezaket ne line etj etj.
nje rast tjeter scandaloz:
nje goce tirance martohet me sirianin qe kishte dyzan bezeje ne tirane, e merr tjetri ne siri, i thate ja ku jane dhe grate e tjera , i veshi vellon e "hekurt" dhe se le te takoj asnje te shtepise . ka 10 vjet ky muhabet, mamaja jeton me vellain ne ny, ka dhe american passport dhe prape se dine ku esthe e bija.
so per cdo gje paguan cmimin pavaresisht qe ne shqiptaret per te krijuar nje lumturi te rreme ndaj vetes jemi te fuqishem.
so femra te dashura konsultohuni me avocat para se te beni plane te fuqishme tia "hidhni" te tjerve.
nje histori e vertete
"Ina" nga tirana u martua me nje cun nga dibra ketu ne NY. shkoi cuni nga ny ne tirane dhe zgjodhi inen bukuroshen per grua. dhe ina kishte nje plan te fuqishem. dhe u martua me te beri nje femije priti sa mori pashaporten americane, pa qe djali kishte shume para sepse kishte biznesse dhe nje dite e zgjuara ine tha dua te ndahem dhe sepse kishte pyetur ne rruge qe po te ndahej do ti merrte gjysmen e pasurise djalit dhe do ti merrte child support.
gues what?
shkoi ne gjyq pasuria ishte ne emer te vjerres dhe vjerrit dhe asjge nuk iu dha ines dhe asgje child support se burri figuronte pa te ardhura.
ina pastaj iu fut well fare me zezaket ne line etj etj.
nje rast tjeter scandaloz:
nje goce tirance martohet me sirianin qe kishte dyzan bezeje ne tirane, e merr tjetri ne siri, i thate ja ku jane dhe grate e tjera , i veshi vellon e "hekurt" dhe se le te takoj asnje te shtepise . ka 10 vjet ky muhabet, mamaja jeton me vellain ne ny, ka dhe american passport dhe prape se dine ku esthe e bija.
so per cdo gje paguan cmimin pavaresisht qe ne shqiptaret per te krijuar nje lumturi te rreme ndaj vetes jemi te fuqishem.
so femra te dashura konsultohuni me avocat para se te beni plane te fuqishme tia "hidhni" te tjerve.
Re: Holokausti ndaj femrave
/pf/images/graemlins/smile.gif /pf/images/graemlins/smile.gif .... muhabete lagjesh keto .... me tha i the ........ me se e me ma aha ....
....nje gje eshte e vertet ama si per meshkujt e per femrat shqipetare qe krenaria qe kan brenda shpesh ose me mire shume shpesh i ben qorra .... e kujton se jane siper te tjerve kur bota disa fenomene i njeh prej shume kohesh .... po tema kaloi ne aspektin lokal ????? e lame diskutimin mbi femren ne pergjithesi apo nuk intereson .....?
/pf/images/graemlins/smile.gif /pf/images/graemlins/smile.gif .... muhabete lagjesh keto .... me tha i the ........ me se e me ma aha ....
....nje gje eshte e vertet ama si per meshkujt e per femrat shqipetare qe krenaria qe kan brenda shpesh ose me mire shume shpesh i ben qorra .... e kujton se jane siper te tjerve kur bota disa fenomene i njeh prej shume kohesh .... po tema kaloi ne aspektin lokal ????? e lame diskutimin mbi femren ne pergjithesi apo nuk intereson .....?