Ariel Sharon futet ne kurth dhe ne e ndjekim ate.

Ariel Sharon futet ne kurth dhe ne e ndjekim ate.

Dhe ja se cfare mendon bota intelektuale dhe me ndjenja njerzore per kriminelin me te madh te kohes se sotme: Ariel Sharon. Dhe kush pastaj ka shpresa se dicka do ndryshoj me Sharonin ose me ndonje turi tjeter te Likudit, le ti humbi ato i qete.
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Ariel Sharon Has Walked Into a Trap.
And We Are Following Him
by Robert Fisk

Time was when Bali would have been the story of the year, the most violent act in 12 months, to be recalled with horror in December as the most terrible of crimes. But Bali was just the story of the month. And soon, perhaps, the Karachi bombings and the Bali bombings and the Mombasa bombings will be just stories of the week. See how easily we have acclimatized to death on a vast scale? What is to be this week's nightmare? How many innocents will be killed by the time you open next week's Independent on Sunday?

But last week's killings in Kenya and the attempt to bring down an Israeli airliner were far more important than most people realize. For by bringing Israel into the loop – by allowing Israel to become a partner in President Bush's asinine "war on terror" – al-Qa'ida has ensured that the Arab Muslim world will henceforth give its real if quiescent sympathy to Osama bin Laden. Outraged as many Arabs were at the international crimes against humanity of 11 September 2001, few will object to an attack against Israelis, however cruel, while Israel's suppression of the Palestinians continues. If al-Qa'ida is now against Israel, Arabs will give their support.

With utter predictability, Ariel Sharon walked into the al-Qa'ida trap. He vowed "revenge". Thus any strike against the al-Qa'ida – by America, by Britain, by Australia – will be seen as an Israeli attack. America and Britain and Israel are now fighting on the same side. In the short term – and in his mendacious attempt to link Yasser Arafat with Mr bin Laden – Mr Sharon may have gained some advantage. At last, Israel's war on Palestinian "terror" can be placed on the same footing as its new war against al-Qa'ida. No longer will Mr Sharon's ghastly spokesmen have to justify their army's brutality towards Palestinians. Israel is fighting the same struggle of "good against evil" that President Bush invented for us just over a year ago.

But for Israelis, there is one big error in all this. By responding to al-Qa'ida's wicked assault on its civilians, it is taking on a mighty big opponent. For Mr bin Laden's men are not the hopeless suiciders that the Palestinians produce from their foetid refugee camps. The Afghanistan-trained men of Mr bin Laden's legion do not spring from the squalor of Gaza or the occupied masses of the West Bank. They are ruthless, highly motivated, intelligent – just for once, William Safire was right when he called them "vicious warriors" – and they may be more than a match for Israel's third-rate intelligence men. Israel's rabble of an army can kill child stone-throwers with ease. Al-Qa'ida is a quite different opponent. And if Mr Sharon wants to take on Mr bin Laden, he is ensuring that Israel goes to war with its most dangerous enemy in 54 years. Better by far to let the Americans tackle al-Qa'ida – and even they don't seem to be all that successful – than bring Israel into the battle.

Now, however, Messrs Bush and Blair will have to watch in silence as Mr Sharon bludgeons the occupied Palestinians into further submission. Israel is now engaged in our war, on our side, and whatever Israel does will now have the imprimatur of the "war on terror". Israel is now on the side of the good guys and if it kills nine children when its air force wants to assassinate a Hamas leader, the White House will not even be able to call it "heavy-handed". (Incidentally, it's instructive to note that while the child-killing in Gaza was "heavy-handed" in the words of Mr Bush's spokesman, Ari Fleischer, the killing of 12 Israeli soldiers and policemen was described by the same gentleman as a "heinous crime".)

But let's move to one side for a moment. Has anyone spotted something amiss about the latest episode in the "war on terror"? Has it dawned on any of the chickenhawks in the US administration or in Downing Street that they are losing the initiative? Has anyone noticed that Mr bin Laden is writing the script? Al-Qa'ida attacks New York so we attack Afghanistan. Al-Qa'ida attacks in Bali and the Australian government re-pledges its support for America. Al-Qa'ida threatens America and so we murder four of its members in Yemen. And our governments – even the Irish last week – respond not by protecting us, not by uniting in a new, inspiring system of international justice, but by producing laws that will diminish our freedoms, our rights and our liberty. Under attack by al-Qa'ida? Let's tap into the telephones and emails of our innocent citizens. Let's frisk every Muslim who goes through our airports. Let's spy on our own people. How Mr bin Laden – hardly a man of humor, as I can personally attest – must be smiling.

Now Americans have got to live with the Department of Homeland Security. The Teutonic roots of this name – Homeland translated as Heimat in the Reich – are perhaps best ignored for the present. But already, travelers in the US are finding themselves targeted at airports because of their skin-color or their religion or their jobs.

Here's just one small example. I've recently finished another series of lectures at American universities. Americans are great people; they are bright and they want to learn the truth about the Middle East, not least because they realize. that their newspapers and television stations lie to them about the region. I give my lectures free of charge. The Independent and Independent on Sunday have thousands of readers in the US and we journalists have a duty to talk to them. But on this last trip, I notched up my 21st consecutive "random" security check at an airport boarding gate. Every time I travel on an American aircraft, up pops this little coding on my boarding card and all my hand-baggage is taken to bits.

Now I don't mind this at all. The security staff are polite, underpaid and often very friendly – I even persuaded one to turn up at my talk in Manhattan – but the origin of my journey, Beirut, or the number of pariah visas in my passport or perhaps just my reporting, has got me on to the American security list. The boarding card "security" coding is in fact quite easy to decipher – and if a numbskull like me can work it out, be sure that the bad guys can – but the point is that, yet again, a perfectly law-abiding civilian is paying the price for Mr bin Laden.

So here's a few thoughts. Why must we let al-Qa'ida write the script? Why don't we set up the machinery of real international law? Why don't we talk about "justice" rather than revenge? Why don't we have international tribunals so that those who wish to kill us can have their time in court? I don't want al-Qa'ida's members blown to pieces in Yemen by Mr Bush's hit squads. I want to see them tried, fairly and by due process. Of course, the Americans will whinge and whine about this. They will rabbit on about how Americans may be taken to court for political ends, about how American troops might be liable for war crimes trials – and given some of their behavior in Afghanistan, I can well see why they would worry about this. I can see, too, why Mr Sharon would worry that he, too, could end up in court on war crimes charges for his involvement in the massacre of Palestinians at Sabra and Chatila in 1982. I don't know if Mr Sharon is guilty. But I think he deserves a fair trial.

No, I'm not equating al-Qa'ida and Mr Sharon, nor am I associating the innocent with the guilty. But it's time we wrote the script to this terrible conflict. It's time we stopped crushing our own freedoms. It's time we talked about law and fairness and justice. Not just for criminals. But for the whole Middle East.

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Fillimisht postuar nga Gjergj Elez Alia:
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Mr bin Laden's men are not the hopeless suiciders that the Palestinians produce from their foetid refugee camps. The Afghanistan-trained men of Mr bin Laden's legion do not spring from the squalor of Gaza or the occupied masses of the West Bank. They are ruthless, highly motivated, intelligent – just for once, William Safire was right when he called them "vicious warriors" – and they may be more than a match for Israel's third-rate intelligence men. Israel's rabble of an army can kill child stone-throwers with ease. Al-Qa'ida is a quite different opponent. [/qb]
Pertoj ti futem e te flas per filozofine, dhe krahun politik te gazetarit. Cdo njeri ka te drejten te kete mendimin e tij dhe ta shprehi, packa se thote vetem brockulla. Autori i artikullit te mesiperm e heq veten si gazetar te shquar i cili jep edhe leksione neper universitete amerikane por qe megjithate eshte aq i paditur per Lindjen e Mesme sa te shprehet aq pasaktesisht per ushtrine, dhe sherbimet informative te Izraelit. Kur nje njeri injoron faktet kaq hapur, eshte e kote te perpiqesh te arsyetosh me te.
 

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Krimineli me i madh i kohes se sotme eshte Ariel Sharon? :eek:
Bukur, bukur fort, po arrijme caqet e absurditetit.
Politika e kryeministrit izraelian nuk me gjen dakort aspak, por, nese eshte keshtu edhe per ju, nuk keni pse te shpreheni me tone te tilla apokaliptike per leaderin e nje shteti demokratik. Mire a keq, pas pak qytetaret izraeliane do te shprehen serish dhe nje politike do ti pasoje nje tjeter, si ne gjithe shtetet demokratike...

Kam vertet shume miqesi personale me arabe dhe shume simpati per kauzen palestineze, por, nese do te rendisja fajet ne pazgjidhshmerine e saj, krahas politikave izraeliane e nderkombetare (USA kryesisht) me duket se kane merita te barabarta politikat e shpifura por fitimprurese te "vendeve vellezer ne fe te Palestines"! Po, asaj Arabie Saudite qe sheh vetem biznesin dhe nuk e perdor aspak peshen e vet specifike per zgjidhjen e kauzes, nderkohe qe nga ana tjeter financon fondamentalizmin. Ky i fundit eshte armiku me i madh i ceshtjes palestineze dhe e fut ne nje spirale pa fund e pa zgjidhje.
Masakrat ndaj popullit te martirizuar palestinez jane te vazhdueshme, shpresoj te mos ju zihen syte nga antisemitizmi deri ne ate mase sa te mos "kujtoni dot" masakrat nga dora e "vellezerve" ne kampet e refugjateve ne Jordani dhe Liban.
Shtetet arabe vetem sa e shfrytezojne fjalen "Palestine" me qellime propagande, po tek e fundit nuk pres asgje me shume nga vende qe, pergjithesisht nuk e njohin fjalen "demokraci"...
 

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jul shum ishe indinjuar nga percaktimi si mega kriminel sharonit!

dhe nga shkrimi yt i meposhtem s'justifikoje reagimin.

meqe israeli thote "une jam shtet demokratik" kjo s'do te thote qe prej tij s'dalin mostra...dhe dje 9 te vrare te tjere.

atentatet kamimaze s'jane veçse aktet e deshperimit te nje populli qe ka humbur orientimin.

pikshikimi yt per momentin mbetet shum siperfaqesor.

s'majfton te duash nje arab e te kesh perzemer palestinezet per te gjykuar drejte,perkundrazi kjo mund te genjeje mendjen se jemi objektiv e te biem lehte pre e lajmit te induktuar.
 

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Gabim ne citim!
Per rifreskim, indinjohem shume perballe percaktimit te A.Sharon si "krimineli me i madh", jo si kriminel-mega (pra i madh)!

Po anashkaloj fjalen "siperfaqesore" qe e perdor si shume lirshem /pf/images/graemlins/smile.gif dhe po perqendrohem tek diskutimi:

Ekstremizmi islamik NUK eshte akt i deshperuar, eshte nje projekt politik dhe ekonomik qe peshkon dhe shfrytezon nder rradhet e te deshperuarve dhe qe ka si qellim shfarosjen e idese se nje Islami te moderuar.

Me hapet barku kur degjoj qe ish-mercenaret e USA (Bin Laden &CO) e mbushin gojen me fjalen "Palestine" !
 

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Ariel Sharon
E' il responsabile di una tragedia durata 18 anni in Libano, della diffusione a macchia d'olio delle colonie ebraiche nei territori occupati, della radicalizzazione religiosa della lotta politica in Israele. Nel 1962, diventa Comandante delle brigate IDF: ma Sharon è amibizioso, e nel 1972 decide di dimettersi dall'esercito. Sarà richiamato in servizio per la guerra del 1973. Nel dicembre dello stesso anno, è eletto alla Knesset nelle liste del Likud, partito al quale comunque non è iscritto. E' l'inizio di una carriera politica più brillante di quella militare.

Nel 1974, lascia il seggio in Parlamento e il Likud per diventare dal '75 al '77 consigliere speciale sulla sicurezza del primo ministro Yitzhak Rabin. Nel '76 fonda un nuovo partito, Shlomzion, che guadagna due seggi alle elezioni del '77 e si dissolve quando Sharon rientra nel Likud e nel governo di Menahem Begin come ministro dell'Agricoltura e presidente del comitato ministeriale per gli insediamenti fino al 1981. Le colonie ebraiche, da quel momento, diventano uno dei pilastri della sua politica: tanto da incoraggiarne di nuove anche nei territori occupati e da contestare il ritiro israeliano dagli stessi territori.

Il passo successivo è la nomina a ministro della Difesa nel secondo governo Begin: con questa carica gestirà l'invasione israeliana del Libano nel giugno 1982, durante la quale avvengono i massacri di centinaia (forse 2 mila) profughi palestinesi. Una comissione d'inchiesta israeliana, la comissione Kahan, lo ritiene indirettamente responsabile di quanto accaduto nei campi di Sabra and Shatila nel settembre 1982. Fatti per i quali, ora, una corte belga vorrebbe chiamarlo alla sbarra per rispondere di crimini contro l'umanità.

Nese nuk mund te quhet kriminel ky person atehere une nuk e di me se cfare jane kriminelet, ndoshta duhet te gjejme nje percaktim tjeter. Si eshte ajo thenia?! "Vret nje, burgosesh, apo ekzekutohesh; vret 3000 mije, behesh kryeminister!!!!
 

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Mos po zhvillohet nje dialog mes shurdhesh ketu?
Se, deri ne kete moment, nuk kam lexuar ne asnje prej nderhyrjeve te mohoet "statusi" i kriminelit per Ariel Sharon.

Nejse, u kuptua qe eshte nga ato temat qe duhen evituar per te mos i rene njeri gozhdes e tjetri patkoit.
 

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Fillimisht postuar nga Juliana:
[qb]Gabim ne citim!

Ekstremizmi islamik NUK eshte akt i deshperuar, eshte nje projekt politik dhe ekonomik qe peshkon dhe shfrytezon nder rradhet e te deshperuarve dhe qe ka si qellim shfarosjen e idese se nje Islami te moderuar.

Me hapet barku kur degjoj qe ish-mercenaret e USA (Bin Laden &CO) e mbushin gojen me fjalen "Palestine" ![/qb]
me pelqeu mendimi i mesiperm, tendtative e bukur larg antisiperfaqesore /pf/images/graemlins/tongue.gif ,

nese ti quan palestinezet antentatore , terroriste islamike, bie pre e te njejte loje qe te hapte barkun mesiperm.

Aty ka shume nacionalizem, lufta e nje populli te pushtuar,konflikte mes shume grupesh politike palestineze, akte ekstreme te denuar nga liderat shpirterore me te medhej.Por e nderuar, nese ne subkoshience ky popull gjen forcen per te rezistuar ne besimin e lekundur te tij,qe behet dhe shkak diferencimi ne nje lufte me nje armik shekullor islam, kjo s'do te thote se behet lufte per islamin.

kesaj here disa sekonda me shume!
 

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Se pari mendoj se per kete teme
po diskutohet nese eshte apo nuk eshte kriminel Sharoni dhe jo faktet e Sabres dhe Shatiles. Qe ta dini te gjithe ne Sabra e Shatila kane qene myslimanet e falangjeve libaneze pro izraeliane qe kane bere masakren dhe keta ishin autonome ne veprimet e tyre. Pra megjithse Sharoni drejtonte operacionin keta ishin jo nen komanden e tij. Jane probleme te vjetra mes sekteve dhe nen feve myslimane ne embrionin e kesaj masakre dhe jo Sharoni. Per sa i perket Sharonit ai eshte zgjedhur me dhjetra here ne parlamentin izraelian dhe ka zene gjithmon ene keta 20 vitete fundit vende me rendesi ne administraten e shtetit izraelian qe e nenvizoj eshte i vetmi vend demokratik nga gjibraltari detri ne Indi. kete e them sepse ne nje shtet te tille nuk eshte e mundur qe nje kriminel te kaloje me se nje here siten e zgjedhjeve prandaj askush nuk mund te thote se ai eshte kriminel. te thuash qe ai eshte nje kriminel ne pergjithesi (jo per faktet e Sabres e shatiles) eshte nje soj si te akuzosh Thacin e Uck- se si kriminel. Personazhe te tille jane gjithmone te "denuar" qe o te adhurohen (si shpetimtare te kombit nga njera pale) ose te urrehen (si kriminele nga pala tjeter). Nje njeri quhet kriminel per fakte te caktuara dhe jo pse mbron me gjakun e e tij (Sharoni ka ne trup plage te luftes se pare Arabo-izraeliane) apo te te tjereve drejten e tij per te mbijetuar si shtet dhe si etni. Jam Tritani i fejuari i Edes.
 

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Qe ta dini te gjithe ne Sabra e Shatila kane qene myslimanet e falangjeve libaneze pro izraeliane qe kane bere masakren dhe keta ishin autonome ne veprimet e tyre. Pra megjithse Sharoni drejtonte operacionin keta ishin jo nen komanden e tij. Jane probleme te vjetra mes sekteve dhe nen feve myslimane ne embrionin e kesaj masakre dhe jo Sharoni. Per sa i perket Sharonit ai eshte zgjedhur me dhjetra here ne parlamentin izraelian dhe ka zene gjithmon ene keta 20 vitete fundit vende me rendesi ne administraten e shtetit izraelian qe e nenvizoj eshte i vetmi vend demokratik nga gjibraltari detri ne Indi. kete e them sepse ne nje shtet te tille nuk eshte e mundur qe nje kriminel te kaloje me se nje here siten e zgjedhjeve prandaj askush nuk mund te thote se ai eshte kriminel. te thuash qe ai eshte nje kriminel ne pergjithesi (jo per faktet e Sabres e shatiles) eshte nje soj si te akuzosh Thacin e Uck- se si kriminel.

C'po thua keshtu?
 

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Fillimisht postuar nga edda:
[qb]Se pari mendoj se per kete teme
po diskutohet nese eshte apo nuk eshte kriminel Sharoni dhe jo faktet e Sabres dhe Shatiles. Qe ta dini te gjithe ne Sabra e Shatila kane qene myslimanet e falangjeve libaneze pro izraeliane qe kane bere masakren dhe keta ishin autonome ne veprimet e tyre. Pra megjithse Sharoni drejtonte operacionin keta ishin jo nen komanden e tij. Jane probleme te vjetra mes sekteve dhe nen feve myslimane ne embrionin e kesaj masakre dhe jo Sharoni. Per sa i perket Sharonit ai eshte zgjedhur me dhjetra here ne parlamentin izraelian dhe ka zene gjithmon ene keta 20 vitete fundit vende me rendesi ne administraten e shtetit izraelian qe e nenvizoj eshte i vetmi vend demokratik nga gjibraltari detri ne Indi. kete e them sepse ne nje shtet te tille nuk eshte e mundur qe nje kriminel te kaloje me se nje here siten e zgjedhjeve prandaj askush nuk mund te thote se ai eshte kriminel. te thuash qe ai eshte nje kriminel ne pergjithesi (jo per faktet e Sabres e shatiles) eshte nje soj si te akuzosh Thacin e Uck- se si kriminel. Personazhe te tille jane gjithmone te "denuar" qe o te adhurohen (si shpetimtare te kombit nga njera pale) ose te urrehen (si kriminele nga pala tjeter). Nje njeri quhet kriminel per fakte te caktuara dhe jo pse mbron me gjakun e e tij (Sharoni ka ne trup plage te luftes se pare Arabo-izraeliane) apo te te tjereve drejten e tij per te mbijetuar si shtet dhe si etni. Jam Tritani i fejuari i Edes.[/qb]
Nuk di c'te them moj vajze se ku i ke mare keto informacione per falangjat muslimane te libanit por qe po te them e ke gabim.
Marre nga Indict Ariel Sharon for war crimes .
On 6 June 1982, the Israeli army invaded Lebanon in what it described as 'retaliation' for the attempted assassination of Israeli Ambassador Argov in London on 4 June. The invasion, soon dubbed "Operation Peace for Galilee," progressed rapidly. By 18 June 1982, Israel had surrounded the Palestine Liberation Organisation's (PLO) armed forces in the western part of the Lebanese capital. A cease-fire, mediated by United States Envoy Philip Habib, resulted in the PLO evacuation of Beirut on 1 September 1982.

On 11 September 1982, Israeli Defence Minister Ariel Sharon, the architect of the invasion, announced that "2,000 terrorists" had remained inside the Palestinian refugee camps around Beirut. On Wednesday 15 September, the day after the assassination of Israeli-allied Phalangist militia leader and Lebanese President-elect Bashir Gemayel, the Israeli army occupied West Beirut, "encircling and sealing" the camps of Sabra and Shatila, which were inhabited by Lebanese and Palestinian civilians. By mid-day on 15 September 1982, the refugee camps were entirely surrounded by Israeli tanks and soldiers, who installed checkpoints at strategic locations and crossroads around the camps in order to monitor the entry or exit of any person. During the late afternoon and evening of that day, the camps were shelled.

Around mid-day on Thursday 16 September 1982, a unit of approximately 150 Israeli-allied Phalangists entered the first camp. For the next 40 hours members of the Phalangist militia raped, killed, and injured a large number of unarmed civilians, mostly children, women and elderly people inside the encircled and sealed camps. The estimate of victims varies between 700 (the official Israeli figure) to 3,500. The victims and survivors of the massacres have never been deemed entitled to a formal investigation of the tragedy, since Israel's Kahan Commission did not have a judicial mandate and was not backed up by legal force.
Ndersa se cfare ishin falangistet:"Phalange Party or Phalangists",po te pergjigjem une nga Lufta civile ne Liban 1975 nga Enciklopedia Online e Luftes. Ishte partia Kristiane dhe grup i armatosur kristian "The Phalange attracted Christian youths from the mountains northeast of Beirut as well Christian students in Beirut. The politics of the Phalange party was pro-Western, and they opposed any pan-Arabism. The Phalangists have shown an unusual amount of pragmatism in dealing with allies."
Hej moj vajze sa duhet te mesosh nga historia.
Vazhdo dhe na degjo ne te vjetrit.
 
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