Amerika Nr. 1.! Vertet?

Amerika Nr. 1.! Vertet?

Nje statistike e shkurter qe tregon se si reshtohet USA ne raport me shtete te tjera apo me Europen!


No. 1?
By: MICHAEL VENTURA



No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1. Well ... this is the country you really live in:

• The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (The New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).

• The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

• One-third of our science teachers and one-half of our math teachers did not major in those subjects. (Quoted on The West Wing, but you can trust it – their researchers are legendary.)

• Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the Earth. Seventeen percent believe the Earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

• "The International Adult Literacy Survey ... found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream

: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).
• Our workers are so ignorant, and lack so many basic skills, that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!

• "The European Union leads the U.S. in ... the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).

• "Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).

• Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).

• Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28% last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56%, Indians 51%, South Koreans 28% (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.

• The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. was ... 37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80). Pay more, get lots, lots less.

• "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.

• Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)

• "U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.

• Twelve million American families – more than 10% of all U.S. households – "continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).

• The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

• Women are 70% more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

• The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).

• "Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its work-force in the 1980s. ... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1%" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.

• "Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one was European" (The European Dream, p.69).

• "Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European. ... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European. ... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies ... are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top 10. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).

• The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).

• U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).

• Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million – one in five – unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).

• Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40% of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.

• Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

• As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

• Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.

• One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).

• "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).

• "Nearly one out of four Americans believe that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).

• Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).

• "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).

• "The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the Bush administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.
 

Truth_Matters

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Interesant eshte dhe fakti qe ne zgjedhjet e fundit parlamentare Bushi fitoi me votat e 'malokeve' te USA. Ne shtetet e civilizuara si NY apo MA ai u mohua.
Kjo vertete eshte interesante. Por ajo qe eshte me interesante, eshte ri-perkufizimi i fjales "malok". Me sa duket, ne Amerike kjo fjale paska ta beje me vendet fushore, sepse Bushi me ato i fitoi votat.

Gjithashtu interesante eshte se te vetmet dy shtete ne Amerike qe qenkan te civilizuara (NY dhe MA), te dyja perbehen nga me teper te huaj sesa vendas.
 

antares

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A! Tani e morra vesh se pse jm dobet une ne formimin tim ideo-politik, se ti me kalon nga nderzimi artificial i lopeve tek Amerikanet ne Vietnam!
Kapeni!
Kapeniiiiiiii! :lol:
 

Picnic

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Fillimisht postuar nga great 1:
[qb] edhe ti shpreson qe nuk je kunder USA???
3 pikpyetje jane pak :shrug:
vizita amerikane nuk ishte shtrirje dore pro dhenia e mundesise per EUROPEN per nje bashkepunim e forcim te metejshem aleances 60 vjecare.
ne leximin tend me tingellonte zeri i "lidereve"komunist shqiptar, /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ,ata qe luftonin kapitalizmin e imperializmin anglo-amerikan,e qe trumbetonin lavdine socialiste :lol:
per me tej te flase personi te cilit i je drejtuar
ti?aspirues i politikes USA,sa larg qe je more drejtshkrimor :tipsy:
per PICNIC [/qb]
Qe te tregosh faktet se ku calon kali i tyre sdo te thote te jesh kunder USA mor i vogli great 1.
Une e perseris qe sjam pergjithesisht antiamerikan, por me politiken aktuale te tyre spajtohem ne asnje pike. Sa per komentet e tjera tuat me duket kohe e humbur per t'iu referuar atyre. Sidoqofte jemi ne nje forum demokrat ku i jepet e drejta e fjales gjithkujt!!!!!!
Persa i perket shteteve te civilizuara, une permenda dy prej tyre ku eshte ajka e instituteve dhe shkences amerikane. Permenda fjalen e pakendshme shqiptare 'malok' sepse ajo pershtypje me ngeli ne ato pak vite qe jetova atje. Konservatorizem absolut dhe mungese totale horizonti. Sme dukej vetja si ne USA, ose me mire me thene nuk ishte ajo imagjinata ime per USA.
Sa per te tjerat qe shkrova jane fakte ku secili prej jush mund te shikoje informacion ne internet.
 

la dea

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ka nje problem te madh te politikes amerikane! politika e saj e jashtme eshte shume egoiste. prandaj bota rreth e rrotull eshte e pakenaqur. megjithate mendohumi nga ka lindur amerika dhe kush e furnizon me burime njerezore. Imigrantet (apo Emigrantet? nejse njera nga te dyja) Ata jane njerez qe shkojne atje per nje jete me te mire dhe s'ju intereson shume c'ndodh jashte US. Amerikanet nuk dine shume ne fakt se cpo ben qeveria e tyre ne emer te popullit. Ata kujtonin se gjithe bota i donte deri ne 11 shtator, sulmin e se ciles e quajten terror dhe jo pergjigje e botes se jashme ndaj veprimeve te qeverise amerikane. Megjithate per vehten e saj Amerika mbetet nr.1 Fuqia ekonomike e ben te mbaj nen varesi shume shtete.
 

Truth_Matters

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Antares,

Me duket se duhet t'i kishe dhene pak drejtim temes qe ne fillim qe te mos perfundonte ne tym, ashtu sic po shohim.

Se pari, vete titulli i temes eshte abstrakt, pasi Nr. 1, nuk percakton fare se per cfare behet fjale.

Nqs do te flitet per aspektin ekonomik, apo politik, apo ushtarak, apo arsimor, apo konservator, apo kinematografik, etj, etj, cilesoje per cilen e ke fjalen qe njerezit te japin mendime konkrete dhe objektive.

Po edhe keshtu pa drejtim fare s'ka lezet, pasi ne disa fusha eshte nr.1 ne disa s'eshte nr.1. Prandaj nese te intereson te flitet vetem per ato fusha ku nuk eshte nr.1, apo qe e bejne te duket keq, permend qe kjo teme do perqendrohet ne keto aspekte, pastaj mund te gjykojme se cfare numri i perket Amerikes.

E them kete pasi po shoh se eshte bere nje lemsh dhe askush s'e di tamam se cfare kerkon tema, prandaj ti si hapes i temes mund t'i japesh drejtim kesaj pune.

Nese do perqendrohemi tek plani ushtarak apo i politikes se jashtme, atehere do ishte mire te flisnim pak se cfare do benin vende te ndryshme po te kishin te njejten fuqi ekonomi/polikike/ushtarake si Amerika sot, dhe pastaj te gjykojme Ameriken se cfare po ben.

Po deshe e fillojme nga Shqiperia, cfare do bente Shqiperia po te kishte te njejtat fuqi si Amerika? Pastaj flasim per Ameriken sot.

Gjithashtu, do te kerkoja ty dhe pjesemarresve te tjere te jene pak me te qarte kur perdorin tema si "Evropa"!

A do te thote kjo "Franca dhe Gjermania", apo edhe Shqiperia, Rumania, Moldavia, dhe Ukraina!

Thanks.
 

Asahel

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Qe mos na ngelet hatri askujt, shqip, he te keqen!

[ Mesazhi u ndryshua nga Gurax ]

Gurax-o,

Une kam pas pershtypjen e larget se ti ciceroje anglisht mor plak, dhe po me vika tmerresisht keq qe ty dhe pjeses tjeter me hater te mbetur i paskam shkaktuar vuajtjen e moskuptimit.

Gjithsesi duhet te ngushellohem me mendimin qe hater-mbeturit, pasi kane arritur te kuptojne te gjitha faqet e kombinimeve te mundshme te teorive te konspiracionit ne anglisht, nuk do i kene harxhuar me dy rreshta energjite, aq te domosdoshme per ndjekjen e legjendave ne vijim.

Pjeses se mbetur (frymemarresve ne vendin kacafiu) s'i mbetet tjeter vecse te mesoje nga eksperienca e te pareve ne renditje, sidomos kur bije fjala per mundesite e barabarta te shprehjes.

After you gentlemen...
 

bebivogel

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Psalmisti You have to stop missing in action /pf/images/graemlins/smile.gif

:wave:
 

gurax

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Psalmisti,

Ne ne kohen kur une ciceroja anglisht, mbaj mend qe perpiqeshe ta shnderroje kengen ne predikim. Ne nje drejtim ishe pozitiv sepse perpiqeshe sipas rregullave dhe mesimeve te ngelje i kenaqur me cdo gjuhe, dhe deri ne njefare mase atehere kishe nje fije respekt rreth e rrotull sepse askush nuk te thoshte qe deshtoje relativisht rende ne ato perpjekje.
Shume keq po te vika per mua dhe tere hatermbeturit driteshkurter qe nuk dine se c'thone dhe e kane mendjen tek fjalet pa vlere, dhe me vjen mire qe kompasioni yt eshte rafinuar dhe ke marre tendencen qe nuk diskuton me per ate qe thuhet por per ate qe e thote. Duhet te jete menyra me re per te hyre ne konfidenca, apo jo.... plak!
 

bob

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Fillimisht postuar nga Picnic:
[qb]
Fillimisht postuar nga great 1:
[qb] edhe ti shpreson qe nuk je kunder USA???
3 pikpyetje jane pak :shrug:
vizita amerikane nuk ishte shtrirje dore pro dhenia e mundesise per EUROPEN per nje bashkepunim e forcim te metejshem aleances 60 vjecare.
ne leximin tend me tingellonte zeri i "lidereve"komunist shqiptar, /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ,ata qe luftonin kapitalizmin e imperializmin anglo-amerikan,e qe trumbetonin lavdine socialiste :lol:
per me tej te flase personi te cilit i je drejtuar
ti?aspirues i politikes USA,sa larg qe je more drejtshkrimor :tipsy:
per PICNIC [/qb]
Qe te tregosh faktet se ku calon kali i tyre sdo te thote te jesh kunder USA mor i vogli great 1.
Une e perseris qe sjam pergjithesisht antiamerikan, por me politiken aktuale te tyre spajtohem ne asnje pike. Sa per komentet e tjera tuat me duket kohe e humbur per t'iu referuar atyre. Sidoqofte jemi ne nje forum demokrat ku i jepet e drejta e fjales gjithkujt!!!!!!
Persa i perket shteteve te civilizuara, une permenda dy prej tyre ku eshte ajka e instituteve dhe shkences amerikane. Permenda fjalen e pakendshme shqiptare 'malok' sepse ajo pershtypje me ngeli ne ato pak vite qe jetova atje. Konservatorizem absolut dhe mungese totale horizonti. Sme dukej vetja si ne USA, ose me mire me thene nuk ishte ajo imagjinata ime per USA.
Sa per te tjerat qe shkrova jane fakte ku secili prej jush mund te shikoje informacion ne internet. [/qb]
ej kam pak kohe per te te kthyer pergjigje
nejse shoh qe mundesia jote per te djene nje mendim edhe pse opak ne lidje me politiken USA qendron,them opak sepse aq mundesh te gjykosh per momentin.
pastaj komunikimi im ketu eshte krejt i thjeshte qe piciruket si ti te mos perserisin disa here ate cka shkruhet.
marr pjese ne debate shume pak,e di pse :confused:
eshte e kote te shkruash e per me shume te debatosh ne lidhje me USA.
personat meskin si ty(ta them me vone persene)
i fusin ca perralla ca gjera boshe,etj etj
ej une po iki ti munduho e hap librat per kete ceshtje,mos u demoralizo eshte heret per ty,yyyyyyyyy sa ke per te pare ti :shrug:
A i degjove lajmet e oreve te fundit,bindesh ndopak apo eheheheh,e kote me fol me ty!!!!!!
SHBA do jete perhere ne gjendje, fale pushtetit qe ka, te ndihmoje kedo qe ka nevoje :thumbsup:
 

antares

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Po lajmet e fundit thone qe Putini me diplomaci i tha "shikoni punet tuaja e mos u ngatrroni me tonat", gjithashtu skandal shkaktoi kaubojsi i Teksasit kur i dha doren me gjithe doreze Presidentit te Sllovakise, Ministrit te Jashtem e te gjithe titullareve qe e priten!
Kur pergjegjesit e ceremonive te Shtepise se Bardhe u pyeten per praktikat amerikane ne raste te tilla, ata nuk u pergjigjen!
 

bob

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takimi i fundit SHBA-EUR-RUS i sherbeu impenjimit nderkombetar per te vazhduar punen e nisur.
keto vogelsira mbeten per ata qe prape nuk besojne ne nje avancim total te politikes nderkombetare,i dha doren me ose pa doreza,leni keto gjera :shrug:
rendesi ka qe sot te forcohet bindja se SHBA eshte e prirur ne nje sukses te metejshem mbeshtetur gjithmone tek ALEATJA E SAJ EUROPA.
pse duhet te pelqejme nje EUR larg SHBA apo anasjelltas?nevojat e sotme kane sjelle nje qendrim te tille dyanesh.
nese eshte e duhur te arrihet edhe ne kompromise,eshte gjithmone ne te mire te vendeve,sidomos te SHQIPERISE tone.
mgjth mire qe ka mendime te tilla,pa to nuk do kuptoje se si tjetri mendon e vepron.
:thumbsup:
p.s. a e shikoje se si XH.BUSH avanconte drejt turmes per t'i shtrenguar duart njerezve!
 

gurax

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:eek:

Te shikoje se si shpreheshin gjermanet per aeroportin e mbyllur disa ore, per zbrazjen e rrugeve...

Faktet?


He came, he saw, but he did not conquer.

Instead, on his visit to Europe, President Bush managed to achieve an uneasy truce.
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But the empty streets in the German city of Mainz, which cheered Mr Bush's father as president in 1989, spoke volumes about how this American leader is perceived in parts of old Europe.

He did better in Bratislava, capital of Slovakia. His speech there, sprinkled with his usual references to freedom and liberty - :lol: 24 of one and seven of the other :lol: - did win applause from the crowd.

This was new Europe after all.

Iraq: Mr Bush's most successful tactic was to side-step this, which was the one, above all others, which had led to such bitterness. He was not put on the hook.

Elections in Iraq helped him to present this not as an American problem so much as an Iraqi success.

The violence though has continued unabated after the election. Even on the last day of his visit, policemen were blown up in Tikrit. But it hardly impinged on the tour.

Iran: The president did offer a concession to the Europeans who are trying to negotiate a permanent end to Iran's programme to enrich uranium. He said he would consider how the US might help these talks. Previously the US had dismissed them. It might still do so in due course. This is one to watch.

China: This issue also has not yet come to the fore. The EU is likely to lift the arms embargo it imposed in 1989 after the suppression of protests. A Code of Conduct covering all arms exports would replace it but the US fears this would be weaker and that China would thereby become better armed in any confrontation with Taiwan which the US is pledged to help.



Keto jane faktet. Te plota i gjen ketu.
 

bob

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e thashe edhe me lart,secili qendron pre e mendimeve te veta :shrug:
te gjithe dime se si mendon tjetri,per kete arsye nuk marr pjese ketu.
nuk eshte per t'iu shmangur atyre qe ke shkruajt ti.
duhet qe ne te komunikonim shume me perpara, kur ne vitin 1961 ne mos gabohem beri viziten e tij te rradhes presidenti amerikan J.F.K.(BERLIN)
kur ai shprehej"une jam nje berlinez"turma e pafund gjermane uleriste me nje mbeshtetje te papare.
apo ne ate kohe u kanosej gogoli"USSR" :shrug:
me te vertete qe kohet kane ndryshuar shume,por nje fare mirenjohje duhet te kete.
sot shtetet perendimore jane forcuar ekonomikisht(me pare)e tani politikisht e ushtarakisht.
nuk nevojitet kujdesi dhe mbrojtja e SHBA, ky eshte fakt :shrug:
por EUR nuk ka treguar qe te jete e afte te perballoje vete dhe te ver veton ne zgjidhjen e problemeve nderkombetare edhe ky eshte nje fakt tjeter :shrug:
mos merrni shembullin francez"skuthave"te politikes,mjafton te kujtosh veton franceze ne aderimin anglez,historine e karriges bosh...etj etj
SHBA nuk ka problem as IRANIN,KINEN apo ndonje KORE te vogel.
ky eshte problem i gjithe botes dhe bota pa ndihmen amerikane nuk ka per ta zgjidhur,nuk shoh te kete ndonje hap para :shrug:
 

109UV

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papunesia ne France rritet deri ne 10%, ne gjermani ne 12%...

nderkohe ne amerike eshte rreth 4% dhe gjithashtu ka dhe 12 milione emigrante ilegale te cilet sigurisht qe punojne...

ja dalin te mbijetojne dhe amerikanet e shkrete lol
 

antares

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Nuk kuptoj se per se duhet te jene mirenjojtes Gjermanet trupave te pushtimit qe edhe sot pas 60 vjetesh nuk jane larguar nga territori i saj. Nese pati Lufte te Ftohte kjo ishte pasoje e aleances qe beri Amerika me Angline me Baba Stalinin per perdhunimin e Europes!
Pra une nuk kam pse te te jem mirenjojtes ty qe pasi me ke shkaterruar shtepine me rri me xhandare ne pjesen e mbetur per te "me mbrojtur" nga aleatet e tu "Uncle Joe".
Lerini keto budallalleqe, Jankite thjesht me prezencen e tyre ne Europe e rrezikojne ate, ne rast te nje shkembimi atomik, ku kujtoni se do bien raketat e para?
Ruset u terhoqen nga Gjermania deri tek ushtari i fundit, Amerikanet c'presin?
Europa i duhet Amerikes qe te rrije gjithmone gati me thesin e pareve dhe qe te mbledhe plehrat mbrapa ne cdo shtet qe sulmon Amerika, No Thanks!
E keni degjuar shprehjen "Natoja eshte qe te mbaje Gjermanet - poshte, Ruset - jashte e Amerikanet - brenda?"
E pra per sa kohe qe Gjermanet jane poshte e Amerikanet brenda, ajo qe e ka brenda eshte Europa!
 

Kondrapedali

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Problemi Antares është se disa këtu nuk arrijnë ta konceptojnë këtë që po thua ti e ato që janë thënë më lart, kështu që i duket e pabesueshme! Është njësoj sikur ti thuash një fëmije që Plaku i Vitit të Ri nuk egziston.
Ndofta do ishte më mirë ti linim disa njerëz me ëndrrat e tyre!
 

arun

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Fillimisht postuar nga Kondrapedali:
[qb] Problemi Antares është se disa këtu nuk arrijnë ta konceptojnë këtë që po thua ti e ato që janë thënë më lart, kështu që i duket e pabesueshme! Është njësoj sikur ti thuash një fëmije që Plaku i Vitit të Ri nuk egziston.
Ndofta do ishte më mirë ti linim disa njerëz me ëndrrat e tyre! [/qb]
kondra

plotesisht dakort me ty

antares

mos u mundo ti tegosh anetareve komponentet fiziko-kimike ne hene , kur shumica e anetareve kerkojne miell per skuqur hallve
 

bob

Primus registratum
Re: Amerika Nr. 1.! Vertet?

dicka qe te bie ne sy eshte menyra per t'i ndenjur afer njeri tjetrit me fjale te pelqyeshme e me krahasime fantastiko shkencore!
bukur,me te vertete bukur!
koalicon pseudoeuropianesh,mund te quhet!
ndoshta dikush pyet veten dhe mendon,"valle te jete e vertete"
deri dje USA ishte aspirata juaj dhe sot ngaqe pate boten,doni te krijoni nje rryme te re.
ka te ngjashme me keta komunistat qe kam ketu afer,jeni afer,e dini?
 

Kondrapedali

Kondrapedali
Re: Amerika Nr. 1.! Vertet?

Great1, Santa vjen vetë në dhjetor kështu që deri atëherë futja gjumit /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif .
Sipas teje, po qe ndryshe nga idetë e tua, është medoemos pseudo-shkencore apo fakte të rreme!
Ç'fatkeqësi që njerëzit besojnë!
 

antares

Primus registratum
Re: Amerika Nr. 1.! Vertet?

Great! Une nuk kam pse them qe uji i detit eshte i embel vetem se nje komunist (aleatet e shekullit te kaluar te Amerikes tende te dashur) thone qe eshte i kripur.
Ketu nuk foli askush nga ne per sisteme te reja politike apo per shpikje te papara deri me sot.
Modelet e Suedise, Zvicres, Austrise jana modele suksesi dhe pa prezencen e cizmes "demokraci-sjellese" amerikane ne territorin e tyre!
Dy shtetet e para pane (po vertet ama) punen e tyre gjate shekullit te kaluar dhe as nga Luftrat nuk u preken!
Nuk kemi nevoje te shpikim sisteme te reja, ato egzistojne!
 
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