ISIS, “skema” e BBC: Në Siri, të gjithë kundër të gjithëve

Diskutime tek 'Tema e ditës, ndërkombëtare' filluar nga Universal, 17 Nov 2015.

  1. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    Ministri i jashtem i Sirise nuk pati guximin ta denonte ate dite,nderhyrjen me forca te armatosura nga Turqia ne vendin e tij,por nje dite me vonese,dhe jo ne agjensine e tyre SANA(Syrian Arab News Agency) por diku tjeter.
    Ruset po e dredhin...
  2. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex


    On August 24, Turkey, in close cooperation with the United States, destroyed the hopes of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) to link up Kurdish cantons in northern Syria and de facto set up a semi-independent state along the Turkish border. The Turkish Armed Forces and militant groups loyal to Ankara entered Syria, supported by the US Air Force, and seized the strategic city of Jarablus and nearby villages from ISIS. First clashes with usage of small arms, military equipment and artillery, were reported between the Turkish-led forces and the forces loyal to the PYD (they operate under the brand of the so-called “Syrian Democratic Forces or SDF”) south of Jarablus late on this day.

    The US clearly supported Ankara’s wiliness to knock out Kurds from the west of the Euphrates River the very same day when Vice President Biden warned Kurdish forces that the US will cut all support to them if they do not comply with the Turkish demands.

    Initially, YPG Spokesman Rêdur Xelil said that they will withdraw their forces from west of Euphrates and nobody can subject them to such an imposition and blamed Ankara for the intervention. However, on August 25, the US Department of Defense informed that the SDF have moved east across the Euphrates to prepare for the eventual liberation of Raqqa. It remains unclear what forces will keep control of Manbij after this. Another prize in northern Aleppo province is the ISIS-controlled city of al-Bab. The Turkish-led forces will likely advance on it after securing the area along the Syrian-Turkish border.

    Following the Hasakah incident and repetitive claims that the Kurds are ready to coordinate their actions in Syria only with the US, the PYD leadership faced the reality of such coordination. Officially Moscow and Damascus condemned the Turkish intervention. However, a source in the Russian Foreign Ministry unofficially said that Moscow’s attitude towards the Turkish actions will depend on the level of their coordination with Moscow and Damascus.

    Naten e mire.
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  3. Al-Punk

    Al-Punk Still here

    Nuk jam i sigurt per ate qe thua Gurax. Nuk besoj se SHBA manaxhon naften e Arabise Saudite. Bile, para ca muajsh lexoja nje artikull ku thuhej se si manipulimet (ulja) e cmimeve te naftes nga ana e Sauditeve demtoi rende shume inisiativa Amerikane ne Amerike qe kishin nisur te shponin puse nafte atje. (Amerika aktualisht nxjerr me shume nafte se Arabia Saudite).
    Ne castin qe miliona dollare investime u bene qe te nxirrej akoma me shume nafte ne token Amerikane (US), cmimi i naftes ulet nga Sauditet duke falimentuar keto inisiativa te reja. Fatkeqesisht nuk munda ta gjej artikullin, qe ishte siperfaqesor dhe orientohej vetem tek numri i firmave amerikane qe falimentuan ne kete proces.

    Persa i perket PetroDollarit, te mos harrojme qe, me ndryshimet e fundit, Iraku (shteti i ngelur) eshte politikisht i kontrolluar nga Irani. Fuqia nxjerrese e naftes ne Irak + Iran eshte aktualisht vetem rreth 30% me e ulet (me pak) se ajo qe nxjerr Arabia Saudite. Ne castin qe do hiqen embargot teresisht, Irani do kete tjeter fuqi per te nxjerre e tregetuar me shume Nafte.
    Nga cdo kend qe e shoh, shoh US qe do te ule ndikimin e Sauditeve ne rajon duke u bazuar mbi te tjere aleate qe ofrojne te njejtat burime.
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  4. gurax

    gurax Pan ignoramus

    Une e kam pare te permendur ne disa vende kete punen e mareveshjes midis Arabise Saudite dhe ShBA, Al-Punk. Nese e mbaj mend sic duhet, eshte dicka e permendur edhe ne nje nga filmat dokumetare, ose te Michael Moore ose te Bill Maher, nuk me kujtohet.
    Disa referenca psh:

    Eshte edhe interesant fakti se ShBA e braktisi ne menyre perfundimtare bazen e monedhes se dollarit mbi metalin e arit ne vitin 1971, paktikisht ne te njejten periudhe kohore.

    Nuk perjashtohet mundesia qe e tere kjo te jete nje rrjedhoje e ndonje teorie konspirative. Por perseri, jane disa koincidenca shume cuditshem te rastesishme brenda nje kohe shume te shkurter.
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  5. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    Vitin qe shkoi VEHABITEVE saudis PISIS ju mungonin ne BUXHET 94 MILIARD $.FALIMENTOJNE per X vjet po paten cmimin e ulet,prandaj nuk besoj se kane ndonje interes.
  6. Al-Punk

    Al-Punk Still here

    Lexova artikujt Gurax, por ato thjesht tregojne se si investon fitimet e shitjes se naftes Arabia Saudite ne borxhin e jashtem te Amerikes. Ekonomikisht tregon qe Arabia Saudite eshte e lidhur me ekonomine Amerikane. Bile tregon qe ajo ka force presioni mbi ekonomine amerikane (dhe nese nuk gaboj kete permend the Michael Moore ne nje nga filmat).
    Megjithate, politikat e cmimeve i perkasin serish Sauditeve.

    Ndoshta ky eshte nje tjeter argument pse US do te ule forcen e Sauditeve. Habitem si nuk ia paskan hyre me nje lufte demokracie shpejt sa pa dale sekreti i thesarit dhe investimit Saudit :)
  7. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    PATRICK BUCHANAN: When did Congress authorize an American war in Syria?

    NATO ally Turkey and U.S.-backed Arab rebels last weekend attacked our most effective allies against ISIS, the Syrian Kurds.

    Earlier in August, U.S. planes threatened to shoot down Syrian planes over Hasakeh, and our Iraq-Syria war commander, Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, issued a warning to Syria and Russia against any further air strikes around the city.

    Who authorized Gen. Townsend to threaten to shoot down Syrian or Russian planes -- in Syria?

    When did Congress authorize an American war in Syria? Is the Constitution now inoperative?

    That we are sinking into a civil war where we sometimes seem to be fighting both sides is a tribute to the fecklessness of the Barack Obama-John Kerry foreign policy and the abdication of a Congress that refuses to either name our real enemy or authorize our deepening involvement.
    Our Congress appears again to have abdicated its war powers.

    Consider the forces that have turned Syria into a charnel house with 400,000 dead and millions injured, maimed and uprooted.

    On the one side there is the regime of Bashar Assad and its allies -- Hezbollah, Iran and Russia. Damascus buys its weapons from Moscow and has granted Russia its sole naval base in the Mediterranean. And Vladimir Putin protects his interests and stands by his friends.

    To Iran, the Alawite regime of Assad is a strategic link in the Shia crescent that runs from Tehran to Baghdad to Damascus to South Beirut and Lebanon's border with Israel.

    If Syria falls to Sunni rebels, Islamist or democratic, that would mean a strategic loss for Russia, Iran and Hezbollah, which is why all have invested so much time, blood and treasure in this war.
    If they are going to lose Syria, Assad, Iran, Hezbollah and the Russians are probably going to go down fighting. And should we decide to fight a war to take them down, we would find ourselves with such de facto allies as ISIS and the al-Nusra Front, an affiliate of al-Qaida.

    Have the hawks who want us to target Assad considered this?

    The American people would never sustain such a war in the company of such allies, with its risks of escalation, to remove Assad, who, whatever we think of him, never terrorized Americans or threatened U.S. vital interests.

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    Years ago, Assad dismissed Obama's demand that he surrender power, then defied Obama's "red line" against the use of chemical weapons. He is not going to depart because some U.S. president tells him he must go.

    As for the Syrian Kurds, the YPG, they have sealed much of the border with Turkey and fought their way ever closer to Raqqa, the capital of the ISIS caliphate. But what has elated the Americans has alarmed the Turks.
    For the YPG not only drove ISIS out of the border towns all the way to the Euphrates; this summer, with U.S. backing, they crossed the river and seized Manbij.

    Turkey's fear is that the Syrian Kurds will link their cantons east of the Euphrates with their canton west of the river and create a statelet that could give Turkey's Kurds a privileged sanctuary from which to pursue their 30-year struggle for independence.

    If, when the war ends in Syria, the YPG is occupying all the borderlands, Ankara faces a long-term existential threat of dismemberment.

    After recent terrorist attacks on his country, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan recognizes that ISIS is a monster with which he cannot live. Thus, this weekend, he sent tanks and Arab troops to drive ISIS out of the Syrian border town of Jarablus.
    Now Turkish troops and their Arab allies are moving further south into Syria to expel the Kurds from Manbij. Joe Biden, visiting Turkey, told the Kurds to get out of Manbij and back across the river.

    How does the U.S. protect its interests while avoiding a deeper involvement in this war?

    First, recognize that ISIS and the al-Nusra Front are our primary enemies in Syria, not Assad or Russia. Geostrategists may be appalled, but the Donald may have gotten it right. If the Russians are willing to fight to crush ISIS, to save Assad, be our guest.

    Second, oppose any removal of Assad unless and until we are certain he will not be replaced by an Islamist regime.

    Third, we should assure the Turks we will keep the Kurds east of the Euphrates and not support any Kurdish nation-state that involves any secession from Turkey.

    America's best and wisest course is to stop this slaughter that is killing a thousand Syrians a week, use our forces in concert with any and all allies to annihilate the Nusra Front and ISIS, keep the Kurds and Turks apart, effect a truce if we can, and then get out. It's not our war.

    Patrick Buchanan
    August 31.2016.
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  8. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    Nga ATA qe REALITETIN e NJOHIN ne FRONT dhe jo para kompiuterit.

    NF: We are part of Al Qaida. Our principles are: Fighting vice, honesty and security. Our issues and our pathway have changed. For example, we are now granted support by Israel, because isarel is at war with Syria and the Hisbollah.
    America has also changed its opinion about us. Originally the IS and us were one group. But the IS was soon used for the political goals of the big states such as America. And steered away from our principals. We have realised that most of their leaders work together with secret services. We, the “Al Nusra-Front”, know our direction. They used to be with us, they used to be our support.
    Our aim is the removal of the dictatorial regime, of the tyranny, of the regime of the apostates. Our aim is also the execution of conquests, like (the famous Arabic commander) Khaled Ben Al Walid did. First in the Arabic world, then in Europe.
    What is the relation like between you and the USA? Does the USA support the rebels?
    Yes, the USA support the opposition, but not directly. They support the countries that support us. However, we are still not satisfied with this support. They should support us with highly developed weapons.
    We won the fights thanks to the “TOW” rockets. With those rockets we have achieved equilibrium with the regime.
    We received the tanks from Lybia via Turkey. Also the multiple rocket launching systems.
    The regime outdoes us only with their tactical aircrafts, rockets and rocket launchers.
    We have captured some of their rocket launchers and received a lot from abroad.
    But because of the TOW we are able to keep the situation under control in many areas
    JT + Übersetzer:
    Whom did the USA give the rockets before they were brought to you? Did the USA initially give them to the Free Syrian Army and did they pass them along to you?
    No, the rockets were given to us directly. They were delivered to a specific group. When the “Road” was blocked and we were under siege, we had officers from Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel and America here.
    What did those officers do?
    Experts! They were experts for the use of satellites, rockets, training and thermal security cameras
    Did you also have American experts?
    Experts from a variety of countries.
    Also Americans?
    The Americans are on our side, but not as it should be.
    For example, we were told the following: We have to capture and seize the “Bataillon 47”. We received 500 Million (Syrian Pound) from Saudi Arabia. For the seizure of the infantry school in “Al Muslimiya“ years ago, we received 1,5 Million Kuwaiti dinar from Kuwait and 5 Million dollars from Saudi Arabia.
    From the governments or from private individuals?
    From the governments.
    The fight is difficult, the regime is strong and receives support from Russia…
    We will fight until the fall of the regime. We will fight Russia and the West, since the West is not on our side. The west just sends us Mujahedin and makes it easier for those fighters. But why does the West not support us properly?
    We have many fighters from Germany, France, Great Britain, America, from all the western countries.
    You have fighters from Europe in Aleppo amongst the “Al Nusra-Front”?
    Many, many, many!
    How many?
    What do you think about the seize-fire?
    We don’t accept the seize-fire. We will reorganise our group. We will execute an overwhelming attack against the regime in the next few days.
    We have regrouped our fighting forces in all provences, in Homs, Aleppo, Idlib and Hama.
    You don’t want the aid deliveries of 40 trucks for the Eastern part of Aleppo?
    We have demands: As long as the regime stays present along the Castello Road in Al Malah and in the northern territories, we will not let these trucks in.
    The regime has to pull out of all these territories, in order for us to let the trucks in. If a truck enters despite this, we will arrest the driver.
    Why have some of your troops withdrawn a kilometre or 500 metres away from the Castello Road?
    The regime has used highly developed weapons agains us. We suffered a setback. Hence we have quietly withdrawn in order to recover and to attack the regime once again. But this time the attack must lead to the fall of the regime.
    Was it a trick, a military tactic?
    A military tactic, yes.
    Was it the aim of this military tactic to gain food supplies or to regroup the fighters?
    We did not agree with the seize-fire.
    Is this only true for “Jabhat al Nusra” or also for the allies of “Jabhat al Nusra” here.
    This is valid for all groups, who are our allies.
    Islamic Front, Islamic Army?
    They are all with us. We are all the “Al Nusra-Front”.
    A group is formed and calls itself “Islamic Army” or “Fateh Al Scham“. Each group has its own name, but the belief is uniform. The overall name is “Al Nusra-Front”. (Jabhat al Nusra)
    For example, one person has 2000 fighters. Then a new group is formed from there an calls itself “Ahrar Al Scham“. Brothers, whose faith, thoughts and aims are identical with the “Al Nusra-Front”.
    Is that your own opinion or also the opinion of the leadership?

    That is the general opinion. But when a person comes to you, makes you a “moderate fighter” and he offers you food and drink, would you accept or not?
    In this war 450.000 people were killed. I have been to Aleppo and Homs. Many parts are destroyed. If the war continues, the whole country will be destroyed, millions will die. … in Germany we once had the “Thirty years war”…
    We have only been at war for 5 years. That is not long, in comparison.
    Would you accept someone form the Assad-regime in an interim government?
    We do not accept anyone from the Assad regime or from the Free Syrian Army, who is called a moderate.
    Our aim is the fall of the regime and the foundation of an Islamic State.
    The people from Alloush, who travelled to the negotiations in Geneva, are negotiating about an interim government.
    There are mercenaries in Syria, Alloush fights with “Al Nusra-Front”.
    The group, that was housed in Turkey and which was turned into the Free Syrian army, used to be part of “Al Nusra-Front”. These people are weak human beings, they received a lot of money, they have sold themselves, they have to follow the orders of their financial supporters.
    The “Islamic Army” and the “Islamic Front” are negotiating in Geneva.
    Because their leaders were produced in the West. They are paid and looked after by the Western secret services and the secret services of the Gulf States, in order to implement the goals of those countries.
    We are here at the very first observation point of the territory of “Sheikh Said“.
    This area is under our control. The soldiers of the regime are behind the houses and in Al Majbal. Our fighting forces are 200 metres away from here.


    PS:te verteta apo jo, ne konkluzione dilni vete.

    Naten e mire.
  9. Kureshtari

    Kureshtari Forumium praecox

    Ju lutem, mund te me shpjegoni se c'eshte investimi ne borxhin e jashtem te nje shteti dhe meqenese ia kuptoni kuptimin ,me thuaj kush investon ne borxhin e jashtem te shtetit tone?
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  10. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    Kurdet kete e kane....

    MILAN is a portable medium-range, anti-tank weapon manufactured by Euromissile, based in Fontenay-aux-Roses in France. Euromissile is a consortium originally set up by Aerospatiale-Matra of France and DaimlerChrysler Aerospace of Germany, now a subsidiary of the EADS company.

    The missile system activities of Aerospatiale Matra have been merged with Matra BAE Dynamics and Alenia Marconi Systems to form MBDA. The system has also been built under licence by Bharat Dynamics in India.

    The system was developed for the French and German Armies and over 360,000 missiles and 10,000 launch units have been produced since 1972. MILAN is in service in 41 countries.

    MILAN 3, armed with a tandem warhead with a new firing post with jam-resistant pulsed-beacon infrared guidance, has been in production since 1996 and has been ordered by France, Cyprus and two other armies.

    In December 2008, India ordered a further 4,100 MILAN 2T missiles from Bharat Dynamics, continuing the company's licence agreement for another four years.
    MILAN ADT/ER extended range anti-tank missile
    MILAN ADT/ER is the latest version of the missile system with new digitised firing post and new extended range missile.

    The MILAN ADT firing post has an integrated thermal imager with a video output which allows remote operation. With two missiles, the ADT weighs less than 45kg. The first guided firing of the missile took place in May 2006. The first test of the complete system, firing post and missile, took place in October 2006. The ADT firing post was qualified by the DGA in January 2007 followed by a successful series of evaluation trials completed in March 2007.

    In December 2006, South Africa placed the first export order for the MILAN ADT firing post with MILAN 3 missiles. The first five series production systems were delivered in February 2008.

    The MILAN ER missile has a range extended to 3,000m and a new, multi-effect warhead which can penetrate 1,000mm explosive reactive armour (ERA) or rolled homogenous armour (RHA), or more than 3m of reinforced concrete. A direct attack mode has been added as well as improved anti-jamming capability.

    Firing post
    The firing post consists of a sighting system and a guidance assembly mounted on a tripod. The infrared localiser measures the angular deviation between the missile and the line of sight to the target. The transmission of guidance data by wire and the new MILAN 3 CCD localiser provide jamming resistance.

    All existing MILAN firing posts can be easily upgraded to MILAN 3 firing posts, which can fire all MILAN missiles.

    Thermal sight
    The firing post can be equipped with an optional MIRA thermal sight, produced by Thales (formerly Thomson-CSF) Optronique. MIRA has a detection range of 4,000m and field of view of 6° x 3°. The mounting bracket is quickly set up without tools or modification to the MILAN firing post. No correlation between the thermal sight and the firing post is necessary.

    A new-generation thermal sight has been developed for the MILAN 3 firing post, the MILIS from Safran (formerly SAGEM), which has a dual field of view, a detection range of 7km and a recognition range of 2.5km.
    In typical deployment, one squad of two MILAN firing posts can be assigned at company level and three or four squads form a platoon used at regiment or battalion level. The launch crew consists of two: the gunner who carries the firing post and the loader or assistant gunner who carries two missiles.

    "The launch crew consists of two: the gunner who carries the firing post and the loader who carries two missiles."
    The gunner places the sight mark on the base of the target and presses the firing button. The missile is launched from the launch container and the launch tube is ejected to the rear of the launcher. The launcher can then be reloaded.

    Immediately after launch the fins on the missile open to provide a stabilising roll to the missile. After the missile is clear of the gunner, the sustainer rocket ignites.

    The gunner tracks the target simply by maintaining the position of the sight reticle centred on the target during missile flight.

    During flight the missile is automatically slaved at about 0.5m above the line-of-sight to avoid obstacles. The explosion of the charge occurs at the moment of impact with the target, even at high angles of incidence up to 80º. The rate of fire is up to three rounds a minute.

    Various mounting installations enable MILAN to be used from any vehicle either placed with the tripod on the roof or secured by using a quick-release clamp. Twin turrets have been developed for tracked vehicles allowing the missiles to be fired under armour.

    PS: se sa efektive eshte une nuk e di,por nje kurd me tha, qe e reja ka nje sensor manjetik qe brenda rrezes 6 metra te hedh ne ajer,ose n.q-se shenjestra eshte e gabuar ne gjashte metra distance apo largesi nga objekti ne shenjester.
    Pra PISIS nuk ka shance pa perkrahjen e dikujt tjeter.
  11. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex


    PS: gjermanet si vepron CIA apo FBS ruse nuk kam te dhena.
  12. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    Keshtu behen punet....

    Pyete se cfare armesh zoteron PISIS????????????????????
  13. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    Si per shembull...rakete antitanke tip TOW-2A.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm...kush e ka prodhuar?????
  14. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    rock in...


    Forza SASHA.......zhulave.
    Putin FANS.
  15. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    PS: per demokratet e henes...alias qyrrsat nga trojet ne usa.
  16. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    Pjella...dhe babi u prek..

    Born in USA....sllovenet apo kroatet e KURACit
  17. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    Ne Siri eshte politika VRASESE e made in Usa.
    Kush ka TRU e di.
    Apropo....paska dekur Zbigniew Berzinski KRIJIMTARI i PISIS,Al Kaida apo muxhahedineve talibane.
    Kryesorja larguan ruset, dhe i AFTE qifuti ne kohen qe ishte(me 1979,qe mos ti hahet HAKU).
    Foto asht bae para se ruset te hynin ne Afganistan(e hengren karremin) .
    Ngushellime peoples americanos.
  18. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

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  19. gurax

    gurax Pan ignoramus

    Ai qe eshte shprehur se sigurimet shoqerore jane dicka e turpshme?
    Ai qe kur pyetet per gjendjen ne Afganistan, pergjigjet se gjendja ne kufirin Irak-Pakistan(wtf!) eshte delikate?
    Ai qe ngaterron Somaline me Sudanin?
    Ai qe pasi del ne lajme duke thene se nuk eshte ekspert per ekonomine, deklaron se nuk e ka thene kete gje asnjehere?

    McCain ka qene nje debil edhe kur ka qene i ri, e jo me tani qe eshte tetedhjet e disa vjec. Vetem gomeret mund te vazhdojne te marrin seriozisht dike si McCain.
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  20. Airbourne

    Airbourne Papirus rex

    Nje PSIKOPAT...qe ne troje e duan.

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