Turizmi

komino

Valoris scriptorum
Re: Turizmi

mire mire si te duash

ne kot qe vazhdojme te diskutojme bashke

kemi dy koncepte te ndryshme te vleres se diskutimeve

Ti e konsideron diskutimin si nje mundesi per te vene ne pah gabimet apo mangesite e qeverisjes

une e konsidoroj diskutimin si nje mundesi per te gjetur menyren reale te korrigjimit te ketyre gabimeve dhe kerkoj te dal ne nje perfundim konkret (mbase edhe ne perfundimin se nje permiresim eshte i pamundur e nuk ka faj qeveria ose duhen futur ne burgje)

TI me kthen diskutimin gjithmone ne piken e fillimit pra tek mangesia qe duhet ndrequr e asnjehere nuk me ke propozuar ndonje zgjidhje te realizueshme

pra mendoj se eshte e kote te vazhdojme te diskutojme bashke se thjesht humbim kohe

PS. nuk eshte ceshtja une jam me i mire ose je Ti, thjesht kemi dy menyra te ndryshme diskutimi


kerkoj falje per daljen nga tema
 

komino

Valoris scriptorum
Re: Turizmi

qe ti kthehem temes

nje propozim konkeret

mendoje se ne studentet jashte mund te hedhim hapat e para te nje turizmi te organizuar

kete vit une kam ndermend te kthehem te shqiperi gjate gushtit

mendoj se edhe shume te tjere do te bejne keshtu

--nqs nje grup prej nesh biem dakort qe te kalojme pushimet ne nje njejtin vend atehere do te kete nje perqendrim te mire te kapitaleve ne ate vend (psh ne borsh apo himare apo te ngjashme)
keto kapitale do te mund te investohen per zhvillimin e turizimit ne ate vend pasi banoret do te shohin se ia vlen te terheqesh grupe turistesh

--mund te shkojme nese desherojme edhe me tenda e keshtu hedhim themelet e nje kampi pushimi i cili mund te reklamohet edhe jashte (te rinjte italiane i preferojne shume keto gjera sidomos kur ka dhe maria me cmime te lira- ti leme menjane moralizmat)

une mendoj se eshte dicka e realizueshme dhe me shume vlere per turizmin ne vend e per ne qe mund ta kalojme shume mire


per tu realizur konkretisht duhen

-informacione mbi vendin du do shkojme
-uji i rrjedhshem, infrastruktura, gjenerator tensioni (une mund te marr timin)

-info mbi mjetet e transpertit (mund te prenotohet nje autobuz)

-info mbi blejen e tendave e pajisjeve te tjera (nqs jemi grup ka cmime shumice e ia vlen)

-kontaktimi i sa me shume studenteve jashte e brenda shqiperise (mund te fillohet edhe ketu me MP)

- zgjedhja e nje date te pershtatshme per te gjithe

- scheduling i aktiviteteve qe mund te behen :rockband: (kampionat beach-voley, vizita ne qytete te tjera si psh butrinti :book: , etj etj etj

- mendoj se kjo do te vleje shume per vete ne por edhe per fillimin e nje turizmi te organizuar ne shqiperi

-pasi te bejme te gjithe aktivitet e te fotografojme gjithca mund te bejme ne web site ku te publikohen fotot, ditari i aktiviteteve, historia e vendeve qe vizituam (kete e ben ai me nick atman sepse di ), info mbi cmimet e kontaktet e mundshme per hotele apartamente, ca mashtrime per mundesite e zhvillimit te nje biznesi ne keto vende (e bejme ne ekonomistet) etj etj etj etj dhe ta perkthejme ne sa me shume gjuhe te botes e t'ia postojme kolegeve tane studente te huaj


mendoj se eshte i realizueshem si mendim e vlen per te gjithe

:thumbsup: :rockband:
 

lozonjarja

Primus registratum
Re: Turizmi

Hi all .. hi gene...

Gene .. eshte per tu admiruar zelli me te cilin diskuton...
megjithate kam frike se ajo qe thua ti nuk do te mjaftonte..thjesht ne do kalonim nje vere te paharrueshme shume te mrekullueshme po nuk do te ndryshonte gje...

Nuk diskutohet qe disa postime ne internet nuk i parashtrojne dot te gjitha problemet dhe zgjidhjet e turizmit ne Shqiperi po mund te them se keto jane shume domethenese...

Me sa vura re dashje pa dashje te gjithe jemi dakort ne nje pike.... qe turizmi ne shqiperi duhet te filloje nga ABC'ja. Qe te sqaroj pozicionin tim, une e quaj shtetin te domosdoshem per zhvillimin e turizmit. Edhe nese ai nuk do te mund ta menazhonte vete, eshte pergjegjes per krijimin e nje terreni te pershtatshem qofte nga ana e infrastruktures qofte nga ana ligjore te pakten ne disa zona. Deri tani privati ka treguar se nuk eshte ne gjendje ta mbushi boshllekun qe eshte krijuar ne fushen e turizmit. Per mua ABC'ja fillon me hartimin e nje plani se si do te behet bregdeti shqiptar psh ne te ardhmen. Nuk me duket sikur egziston ndonje plan i tille.. as ka egzistuar ndonjehere, nuk di as te jete bere ndonje studim i zonave bregdetare... megjithese Besi diskuton se jane bere kaq e aq rruge mua me duket sikur ato jane thjesht disa reklama te qeverive te ndryshme ne kohe zgjedhjesh, kurse puna e bere eshte shume pak. Te pakten ne disa zona duhet te rregullohet infrastruktura ne menyre urgjente. Kjo nuk eshte thjesht utopi, sepse vitin e kaluar per nje periudhe kohore shume te shkurter... me pak se dy muaj u zgjerua dhe u shtrua ne menyre shume cilesore rruga nga Qafa e Llogarait deri ne hyrje te Dhermiut. Po fatkeqesisht nuk u vazhdua me tej.

Nga ana tjeter, edhe pse neve shqiptareve na jane atribuar disa tipare te vrazdha, nuk jemi shume ndryshe nga popujt e tjere. Shume prej jush jane duke jetuar ne metropole te ndryshme dhe mund ta shohin ne lajme apo gazeta se sa vrasje apo vjedhje ndodhin ne dite..megjithese ata nuk shohin gje gjate diteve. Kjo ndodh sepse ne asnje vend te zhvilluar shteti apo policia nuk lejon qe te ndodhin ngjarje qe shkaktojne destabilizim ne qendra qytetesh, ne lagjet me te pasura apo ne zonat turistike. Pra une mendoj se edhe pse shteti shqiptar nuk eshte ne gjendje te ruaje rendin ne gjithe republiken, duhet te ruaje me shume disa zona sidomos ato turistiket. Mund te krjoje ndonje polici lokale ne vendet e kyçe dhe mundesisht tua rris rrogat ne dallim nga policia e zakonshme. Nje rol te tille mund ta luaje edhe nje polici private. Pra kerkohet nje shpenzim i shtetit ne kete drejtim te pakten ne disa zona.. duke e shtrire me kalimin e kohes ne gjithe republiken.

Nga ana ligjore, do shteti duhet te krijoje nje skeme incentivash ne menyre te tille dhe ta nxisi turizmin te rritet dhe jo skema qe te rris te ardhurat e taksave.. se turizmi ne shqiperi nuk eshte zhvilluar akoma ne ate pike qe te perbeje nje burim te konsiduerueshem te ardhurash per buxhetin e shtetit. Nese tatimet (ose taksat ne dogane) do te ishin me te ulta, ndoshta edhe ai tregtari nuk do te ishte aq i gatshem qe ti jepte bakshish policit te pare qe e ndalonte me nje cante me mall po mund te preferonte te paguante detyrimin ligjor dhe te ishte dhe ai ne rregull me shtetin. Ndoshta do te ishte mire qe nga lokalet ne zonat turistike te kerkoheshin disa kritere qe duhen zbatuar. psh te kene nje sherbim cilesor, te kene nje kapacitet aq apo kaq, te kene kushte higjenike.. dhe nga ana tjeter shteti ti lironte keto subjekte nga disa taksa dhe detyrime fiskale. Keshtu jo vetem qe do te nxitej zhvillimi i turizmit, po do te krijohej nje atmosfere me miqesore mes shtetit dhe subjekteve private, e cila do te rriste akoma me shume bashkepuninim ne te ardhmen.

Keto dhe masa te tjera si ato qe parashtronte Shpetimtari besoj se jane goxha te arritshme dhe gjithashtu do te jene te suksesshme.

Nga ana jone, mendoj se do ishte mire qe kush te mundte, sidomos studentat e menazhimit dhe ekonomikut, te punonin ne teza qe kane lidhje me kete teme dhe te nxirrnin disa studime me te detajuara te cilat mund te na cojne ne perfundime me te sakta.
 

komino

Valoris scriptorum
Re: Turizmi

shume interesante erg
sidomos puna e tezave

une mendoj se do ta bej per zhvillimin e idustrise te veshjeve ne shqiperi (nga zerat e pare ne pbb)

megjithate ndonje relacion per turizimin e mundesite e zhvillit do te ishte interesant
 

komino

Valoris scriptorum
Re: Turizmi

me vjen keq qe dokumenti i meposhtem eshte anglisht e ca i gjate

lexoheni vetem nese vertet u intereson te diskutoni ne kete teme :shrug:


Joint Statement

Round table on "Economy, Tourism and SMEs"

The sixth session of the Round Table on "Economy, Tourism and SMEs" was held in Rome, on the 31st march 2003, under Presidency of Mr. Gianfranco Caprioli, General Director for the Promotion of exchanges in the framework of the Department of internationalization of the Ministry of Productive Activity.

The mentioned session was held in concomitance of the meeting of the relevant Ministers of the Adriatic and Ionian Initiative, in which participated the Ministers Marzano (Italy), Deputy Minister Urso (Italy), Malaj (Albania), Petrin (Slovenia), Gadzic (Bosnia), Pecek (Croatia), Paunovic (Serbia) and the Ambassador Jerocostopoulos (Greece) who have signed the "Protocol of Cooperation" concerning the setting up of a Network among the Institutions responsible of supporting SMEs, except Serbia and Montenegro which intend to do it lately transmitting promptly a signed copy to Italy.

The countries participated in the Round Table both with local representatives of the sectors on which the Round Table works (SMEs, Tourism, Public Utilities and Energy) and with their Diplomatic Delegations.

In the opening, the President has highlighted the fact that Italy maintained the committments undertaken during the meeting of the Round Table that was held last 23rd October. In fact, Italy worked in order to elaborate drafts of action plans of the initiatives identified during the last session.

Working groups examined the following propositions:

as to SMEs, the project was presented by the Italian coordinator and discussed by the working group in which participated Italy, Albania, Greece, Serbia and Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia Herzegovina. The AII Ministers welcome the signature of the "Protocol of Cooperation setting a Network on SMEs support services" as a tool for further cooperation among Country Members in the field of SMEs support and development.
The parties commit themselves to support the TASK FORCE, established by the Protocol, in ensuring exhaustive information collection and the involvement of all concerned actors (the Relevant Institutions) in the exercise.
Ministers also agree that, in order to give concrete implementation to the Network on SMEs support services established by the Protocol, a communication platform among the Relevant Institutions dealing with SMEs in AII Countries will be implemented.
The Parties aknowledge that the financial resources for the implementation of the Project will be identified under the Italian law 84/01 in the framework of the fund available for "networks among Institutions, bodies and entrepreneurial associations aimed to the internationalisation of the Italian SMEs and the SMEs of the Balkan area or under other Regional and International Founds".
The Draft of the proposal and the technical description of the AII Network of SMEs Support Services (ADRIONET) are attached to the present Statement.



as to the Public Utilities, the project "Agency of fair territorial management" (in annex) has been presented by the Italian coordinator and discussed by the working group in which participated Italy, Albania, Croatia and Slovenia. This project aims at creating a distance supporting service for the different local situations of the Balkan area. Following the analysis done, five common environment topics have been identified: cycle of the water, waste management, local distribution of energy, transports and thermal resources. The network can involve all AII Countries, both at local and central level (7 Italian Adriatic Regions and 31 Local Administrations selected among the administrations of the 7 interested Countries). The project, based on the creation of an Infrastructure ICT and on the transfer of know how by Italian experts to the different Balkan local realities, envisages the supplying of services (distance assistance, local information support, development of national productive realities, information for businesses, Institutions, citizens and so on).
The project has been discussed by all participants who have engaged themselves to examine with the respective relevant central or local authorities, the contents of the proposition. All the participants agreed on the necessity of identifying a national coordinator for this sector (INTERREG or another expert in the sector).
Concerning the topics which constitutes the object of the examined proposition, different interests have been expressed by the Albanian representative (as to water, waste, energy distribution and management) and by the Croatian representative, who has highlighted that the sector of Public Utility is also responsible of gas distribution and management, while the thermal sector should be held apart. Participants also wished that all AII Countries would express their opinion on the project and their possible adhesion to it before the end of the Italian Presidency, so that it will be possible to obtain the necessary financial support. Italy could allocate national (Law 84/10) or community funds.




as to ENERGY, since it was not possible to make the working group meet because the Countries of the area have not designed experts, the Presidency concentrated on the project which, at the present moment, needs to be much determined. That is the "transmission line at 400KV Elbasan-Podgorica", that is considered as fundamental for the electrical connection of Albania, Serbia and Montenegro, and adjacent Countries. This project has been presented by the Italian coordinator and it was discussed by the working group in which participated Italy, Greece, Bosnia Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro. It has been highlighted that thanks to the South East Europe Regional Forum (that was held in Rome last week) it has been possible to stimulate the attention of the Countries interested in the Stability Pact (among which also the AII ones), and also the attention of the participating international financial institutions (EBRD, EBI and so on), in order to find the necessary funds to sustain the implementation of the project. What is really difficult in this field, is not to identify valid and notable projects but to create the structural and market conditions in which the mentioned project could be implemented and could be considered interesting by financers. In this contest, Italy confirmed that the project is already part of the committments that the General Direction "Development Cooperation" of the Minister of Foreign Affairs has undertaken with Albania for the three-year period 2002-2004.
In fact, The General Direction for Development Cooperation (DGCS) has ensured to Albania a credit financial contribution in order to help the reconstruction of the line, up to a maximum of 30 million euro.
This engagement has been mentioned in the three-year italo-albanian agreement 2002-2004 signed in Tirana the 9th April 2002.
Feasibility project, recently presented to the DGCS, envisages a financial committment of 86,6 million euro, of which 22,7 in local currency (most of which in charge of the governments of Albania and Serbia and Montenegro) and 63,9 in foreign currency (and it is in this contest that the funds of the DGCS are allocated). It exists the possibility to fill the gap through the contributions of the EU Member States governments, of the EBI and the EBRD, although this is to be confirmed. Because of the current financial situation of the electric field of the two Countries and of the two electricity bodies, the project can be sustained only by means of low-interest loans (with lower interest rates compared to the commercial rates). In order to define the technical and economic situation of the project and to start its implementation, the two interested governments (Albania and Serbia and Montenegro) will work together in order to help speeding up the implementation of an agreement for the management of the energy along the line, preferably before the final meeting of the Italian Presidency. Moreover, in order that the possible donors will officially ensure their contribution, they will also promote a special meeting with the donors themselves (World Bank, European Union, EBI, EBRD, European Union Countries and AII donors). The discussion about energy confirmed the importance of working in order to implement the projects which were selected during the meeting on Energy which took place on the 23rd October 2002:

Construction of 400 KV transmission line Banja Luka (Bosnia)- Zagreb (Croatia);

Overhead Transmission 400 KV line Mladost (FRY)- Ernestino (Croatia)- Tumbri (Croatia)


It is important that all involved AII Countries give adequate information about particular interests, technical aspects, feasibility and financing state of art, in order to define possible actions to be performed during the next round table meeting.
Whether the meeting could take place during the semester of Italian presidency of the Union, Italy will ensure the support in its integrity.


the Working group on tourism (composed by the Italian, Albanian, Croatian, Serbian and Montenegrine and Slovenian representatives) examined two projects, formulated by INFORMEST and by FDL Servizi, called "T.I.C.- TOURISM INITIATIVE Croatia" and "The Adriatic and Ionian Seas of Europe", aiming respectively at providing to Croatia a training programme on tourism and improving tourism incoming in the area. The Working group previously agreed that coordination will be needed to avoid potential overlapping.
As far as the project "Adriatic and Ionian Seas of Europe" is concerned, an action plan has been presented and discussed. It envisages a feasibility study aimed at the development of some kinds of tourism in the Adriatic-Ionian area (cultural, religious, maritime and so on) through the realization of several naval routes with the aim of improving tourist incoming in the region and to increase the value of historical, cultural and natural heritage existing in the area.
A deadline was fixed ( 15th April 2003) to allow all the Countries to adhere to the project whose draft is attached to the present statement; by the next two days the Italian Coordinator will modify the present text and will send it to all the Countries involved.
The hypothesis is to use the funds allocated by the Italian Government as to the Law 84/01, which could cover about 60% of the total cost of the project. Since Slovenia and Greece are not able to benefit by the funds allocated by the Italian Law 84/01, the working group has committed himself to verify the possibility to benefit by the European crossbording programs (INTERREG III A) involving Italian regions with particular reference to Friuli Venezia Giulia, Veneto and Puglia.
As to the other priority project in the same sector, which was discussed during the last session of the Round Table (harmonization of tourist legislation in AII Countries), the working group stressed their renewed interest in its implementation. It was therefore decided that it will be deeply analysed during the next Slovenian Presidency, with particular reference both to its contents and to its funding sources.
 

gfm73

Primus registratum
Re: Turizmi

shkruar nga Erg

Me sa vura re dashje pa dashje te gjithe jemi dakort ne nje pike.... qe turizmi ne shqiperi duhet te filloje nga ABC'ja. Qe te sqaroj pozicionin tim, une e quaj shtetin te domosdoshem per zhvillimin e turizmit. Edhe nese ai nuk do te mund ta menazhonte vete, eshte pergjegjes per krijimin e nje terreni te pershtatshem qofte nga ana e infrastruktures qofte nga ana ligjore te pakten ne disa zona. Deri tani privati ka treguar se nuk eshte ne gjendje ta mbushi boshllekun qe eshte krijuar ne fushen e turizmit. Per mua ABC'ja fillon me hartimin e nje plani se si do te behet bregdeti shqiptar psh ne te ardhmen. Nuk me duket sikur egziston ndonje plan i tille.. as ka egzistuar ndonjehere, nuk di as te jete bere ndonje studim i zonave bregdetare... megjithese Besi diskuton se jane bere kaq e aq rruge mua me duket sikur ato jane thjesht disa reklama te qeverive te ndryshme ne kohe zgjedhjesh, kurse puna e bere eshte shume pak. Te pakten ne disa zona duhet te rregullohet infrastruktura ne menyre urgjente. Kjo nuk eshte thjesht utopi, sepse vitin e kaluar per nje periudhe kohore shume te shkurter... me pak se dy muaj u zgjerua dhe u shtrua ne menyre shume cilesore rruga nga Qafa e Llogarait deri ne hyrje te Dhermiut. Po fatkeqesisht nuk u vazhdua me tej. Nga ana tjeter, edhe pse neve shqiptareve na jane atribuar disa tipare te vrazdha, nuk jemi shume ndryshe nga popujt e tjere. Shume prej jush jane duke jetuar ne metropole te ndryshme dhe mund ta shohin ne lajme apo gazeta se sa vrasje apo vjedhje ndodhin ne dite..megjithese ata nuk shohin gje gjate diteve. Kjo ndodh sepse ne asnje vend te zhvilluar shteti apo policia nuk lejon qe te ndodhin ngjarje qe shkaktojne destabilizim ne qendra qytetesh, ne lagjet me te pasura apo ne zonat turistike. Pra une mendoj se edhe pse shteti shqiptar nuk eshte ne gjendje te ruaje rendin ne gjithe republiken, duhet te ruaje me shume disa zona sidomos ato turistiket. Mund te krjoje ndonje polici lokale ne vendet e kyçe dhe mundesisht tua rris rrogat ne dallim nga policia e zakonshme. Nje rol te tille mund ta luaje edhe nje polici private. Pra kerkohet nje shpenzim i shtetit ne kete drejtim te pakten ne disa zona.. duke e shtrire me kalimin e kohes ne gjithe republiken. Nga ana ligjore, do shteti duhet te krijoje nje skeme incentivash ne menyre te tille dhe ta nxisi turizmin te rritet dhe jo skema qe te rris te ardhurat e taksave.. se turizmi ne shqiperi nuk eshte zhvilluar akoma ne ate pike qe te perbeje nje burim te konsiduerueshem te ardhurash per buxhetin e shtetit. Nese tatimet (ose taksat ne dogane) do te ishin me te ulta, ndoshta edhe ai tregtari nuk do te ishte aq i gatshem qe ti jepte bakshish policit te pare qe e ndalonte me nje cante me mall po mund te preferonte te paguante detyrimin ligjor dhe te ishte dhe ai ne rregull me shtetin. Ndoshta do te ishte mire qe nga lokalet ne zonat turistike te kerkoheshin disa kritere qe duhen zbatuar. psh te kene nje sherbim cilesor, te kene nje kapacitet aq apo kaq, te kene kushte higjenike.. dhe nga ana tjeter shteti ti lironte keto subjekte nga disa taksa dhe detyrime fiskale. Keshtu jo vetem qe do te nxitej zhvillimi i turizmit, po do te krijohej nje atmosfere me miqesore mes shtetit dhe subjekteve private, e cila do te rriste akoma me shume bashkepuninim ne te ardhmen. Keto dhe masa te tjera si ato qe parashtronte Shpetimtari besoj se jane goxha te arritshme dhe gjithashtu do te jene te suksesshme. Nga ana jone, mendoj se do ishte mire qe kush te mundte, sidomos studentat e menazhimit dhe ekonomikut, te punonin ne teza qe kane lidhje me kete teme dhe te nxirrnin disa studime me te detajuara te cilat mund te na cojne ne perfundime me te sakta.

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Dhe Gene, me deshir -en/at e tija personale na del ketu me me teper se nje propozim do e quaja nje pyetje. E leshon nje 'propozim' aty dhe mendon se keshtu eshte dhe jo ndryshe. Pa patur thjesht idene e Mendimit apo Temes qe ndonjeri ketu parashtron, njeriu nuk duhet nisur kurre me mendime te thjeshta. Duke ditur rendesine qe Turizmi ka ne vendin tone, qe perben nje prej bizneseve me fitimprurese per vendin dhe popullaten, padyshim qe edhe gjetja e rrugeve dhe mundesive per realizimin e qellim-per/fitimit nuk eshte aq e lehte. Dhe piksepari duhet nje INISIATIVE e mire dhe e perbashket dhe jo mendime pa mendime te individeve te thjeshte.

Do te sillja ketu nje shembull tipik duke bere pak a shum krahasimin me problemin e zhvillimit te biznesit per turizmin. Ne nje rstorant (me emer) klientat ankohen per cilesine e dobte te ushqimit qe serviret. Ku eshte faji? Fajin duhet ta gjejme tek kuzhina qe kuzhinieret nuk jane ne gjendje apo te afte te gatuajne ne shijen e duhur qe kerkohet. Dhe sipas Genes , shefi i restorantit duhet te bleje produkte te cilesise me te mire dhe te fresket, dhe keshtu ushqimi duhet te jete me cilesor. Une do i thoja Genes se sado i mire te jete malli i blere per kuzhinen, ushqimi nuk do te kete kurre cilesine e duhur nqs kuzhinieri nuk eshte i afte ta gatuaje ate sic duhet. Pra Turizmit duhet t´i gjejme 'kuzhinierin' e afte keshtu do te rritet edhe cilesia e punes per zhvillimin e tij.
 

komino

Valoris scriptorum
Re: Turizmi

une nuk e kuptoj dot se nga dolen gjithe keto perfundime per genen

megjithate nuk me ngel vecse te te them

BJERI BJERI SE I BI BUKUR


Ps. kur te kesh gjetur me ne fund njeriun e kulluar me bej nje ze (shpresoj te mos perfundoje si gjithe ish te kulluarit e tjere)
 

Noe

Primus registratum
Re: Turizmi

Qe Turizmi do te zhvillohet ketu ne Shqiperi kjo s'ka pike dyshimi, por problemi qendron qe ai mos te zhvillohet ne menyre spontane dhe kaotike, por me plan konkret. Nuk e kam fjalen per planet e dikurshme qe per realizimin e tyre vetem genjehej, por per plane te qarta, duke filluar nga ai afatshkurter, afatmesem dhe deri te plani afatgjate ose strategjik prej mbi 50 vjetesh.

Ne lidhje me opsionet qe kam dhene une si dhe bashkebisedues te kesaj teme do te shtoja dhe nje tjeter qe me duket me shume rendesi dhe konkretisht do te isha i mendimit qe:

Nje rol te jashtezakonshem do te luante Televizioni Publik Shqipetar, pa perjashtuar dhe Tv. Kombetare dhe ato me numrin e madh te shikuesve. Keta Tv.(duke mos perjashtuar dhe mediat e tjera gazeta, revista emisione radiofonike etj) pa pagese duhet te hapin nje rubrike disa minutshe ne ndihme te Turizmit Shqipetare, e theksoj te perditshme. Ne to te tregohet gjithçka (ketu mund te gjejme dhe info. qe mund te kerkohen). Ju lutem me besoni, kjo nisme do edhe te qenit nacionalist.

Nepermjet kesaj te behet i ndjeshem dhe komuniteti qe jeton afer plazheve, ai qe zhvillon veprimtari tregtare te natyres se sherbimit ne keto plazhe si dhe ne menyre te veçante ata qe do te kalojne pushimet. (besoj nuk ka nevoje t'i shtjelloj te gjitha pasi gjithesecili nga Ju e di fare mire se ç'duhet bere)
Theksova ne menyre te kujdeshme te te berit te ndjeshem, pasi te tre kategorite nuk bejme detyren qe na takon ne lidhje me kontributin e gjithsecilit per ngritjen e Turizmit.
 

Noe

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P.s. Me falni se desh harrova. Kjo vlen me teper per moderatoret.
Ve re se ne disa tema diskutimi acarohet dhe merr permasa jo te kendshme per pjesmarresit e tjere. Duke ju sugjeruar, a do te ishte me mire qe dhe ju kur konstatoni diçka te tille, sikur te hapnit ne rubrike te veçante qe kur dy persona kalojne ne grindje te dalin te kjo rubrike qe do krijoni.
Mund ta transferoni te sugjetimet. Flm.
 

agshi

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PERBAMJA E GRUPIT TE RROKUT:

:rockband:

SA BUKUR QE KENDOKE MOJ GENE. PO NE STUDENTAT E VENIT A MUNENA ME MARRE PJESE N´KTE BAND... AH, SE DESH HARROVA, MOS HARRO ME E MARRE GJENERATORIN TAND SE MASANEJ PRISHET TAN PLANI, PO UN QI NUK KAM A MUNEM ME MARRE QIRI. ENE QIRI DO MJAFTONTE ME BA DRITE KUR TI TE SHKRUJSH TE KOMPIUTRI JOTE.
 

Visi S

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Ja se c'fare shkruhet per Shqiperine dhe turizmin shqiptar:

Albania
By Sara Wheeler

In the butterscotch light of late afternoon a Vlach shepherd and his mule were goading a string of goats up towards their summer pastures high in the Lunxherise mountains. Down below, a man hooked the blade of a scythe round his neck and walked purposefully from his hut, wordlessly leaving his wife, who was churning butter with a paddle in a wooden pail. I looked far out over the cadmium yellows and sage greens of the Albanian mountains and I thought, Where else in Europe is it still like this?

Albania is a country waking up after a very long, dark night. After almost fifty years of its own particular brand of communism, its people subsist on the lowest per capita income in Europe (I met a professor at the School of Medicine earning $130 a month). The country was effectively sealed off from the rest of the world by the megalomaniac dictator Enver Hoxha (pronounced Hodga). Hoxha was barking mad and a murderer to boot. He banned beards. He squabbled with all his erstwhile allies ­ the Soviets, the Chinese, the Yugoslavs ­ and he had thousands of his people sent to labour camps in the chrome mines for ten years for crimes like listening to the World Service on the wireless. Priests were buried alive. Young Albanians were shot for playing Rolling Stones tapes. Thousands died. Albania might be 200 miles from Italy, but as far as the rest of the world was concerned it could have been the Antarctic.

In the heart of the capital, Tirana, a 55-foot bronze statue of Friend Enver once kept his eye on his subjects, and when I reached this bizarre and heartbreakingly dramatic European outpost the vacant plinth was still standing lonely in Skanderbeg Square. Beyond the Stalinist concrete monster buildings radiating off Skanderbeg, and beyond the rows of handsome yellow house-offices put up by the Italians during the Occupation, half a million Tiranians live in concrete apartment blocks built during the communist era, graffitoed now and leprous with corrosion.

I found the city full of cafés and the cafés full of men, and the click of billiard balls came flying through the open doors of stygian basements. Finding out how much you weigh was plainly a popular pastime, and on the sidewalks men squatted next to pairs of weighing scales, charging a few leke for use. And everywhere the whiff of open drains, exhaust fumes and piles of decaying refuse.

Sheep were grazing in the scrubby central park (my toddling son rode one), but the rest of Tirana was a perpetual snarl of traffic. Yet when the communist regime fell in 1992 there were fifty cars in the capital and it was illegal for an ordinary citizen to own a motor vehicle. Now the country enjoys the highest Mercedes ownership in the world, almost entirely due to cars stolen from Germany by Albanian gangs and the Italian mafia and sold in the port of Durres, 20 miles west of Tirana, some with the red and white pennants of Bayern Munich still dangling merrily from the interior mirror.

Tucked in between Greece in the south, Montenegro in the north, Kosovo and Macedonia in the east and a large slice of the Adriatic in the west, Albania's land surface is about that of Maryland. To get around, we hired a car and a driver. We paid a hundred dollars a day for our man, which included all gas and his food and lodging. You can get a driver for less, but we wanted someone with sound references and we were prepared to pay for it. My partner and I were travelling with our two-year-old, and we took our own infant car seat, checking it in as airline baggage. I have learnt to do this, during the thousands of miles I have covered with my son; even in more sophisticated countries, baby seats mysteriously vanish when you pick up your hire car.

I cannot say that it was an easy trip. The fact that nobody speaks English is exacerbated by the fact that all the guidebooks are out of date, and much of the information we did extract from helpful passers-by turned out to be false. Maps became legally available to foreigners only recently, telephones often don't work and there are many power cuts. Confusingly, people usually quote prices in old leke, which means ten times the actual cost. While we experienced only friendliness from Albanians, it is impossible not to be aware of a general lawlessness. Shortly before our arrival, even the prime minister had his car stolen.

The three of us, and our driver Qazim, with whom we communicated in pigeon Italian (though the truth was that he was reluctant to speak at all), set off for the south over the semi-arid Krabbe Mountains and down to Elbasan along the Shkumbini valley, the latter wrecked by a Chinese-built steel mill, now mostly defunct, like all Albanian heavy industry. The small part of it in operation was exuding acrid orange clouds. In Elbasan the stained and boxy concrete apartment blocks were flowering with satellite dishes.

Out to the east, the road followed the Shkumbini to the shores of Lake Ochrid and Lin, a fishing village overlooking Macedonia. Three women were guiding donkeys freighted with corn along the viney Lin lanes, carding wool as they went. The working donkeys of Albania were popular with my son, who, rationally enough, asked keenly if we couldn't get one for the shopping at home in London.

On the lakeside road from Lin to Pogradec we ate red-speckled
trout at a fish restaurant on stilts. Even the sphinx-like Qazim was impressed. During Hoxha's rule it was illegal for ordinary people to catch this delicious fish (to ensure the conservation of supplies for Party bosses), and if you got found trying in an attempt to feed your starving family, you were sent to the camps for fifteen years.

Hoxha was convinced that Albania ran a grave risk of being invaded by western forces jealous of the country's success, and so he ordered the construction of hundreds of thousands of reinforced concrete domes with machine gun slits. These bunkers are a sinister feature of every Albanian landscape and a potent symbol of paranoia which will still be there in five hundred years.

In Korça, a town at the foot of the Morava mountains, we found an astonishing quantity of Ottoman detail hiding modestly among the concrete sprawl. The Turks occupied Albania for half a millennium and their hand is everywhere ­ in the architecture, language, food, and the fact that 70 per cent of Albanians are muslim. I had no sense of being in a muslim country though. Women wore miniskirts in the cities and bikinis on the beaches, and I did not hear a single call to prayer.

We crossed a neglected, scrubby plain outside Korça to visit the old Christian village of Boboshtica where a dozen families were living off one cow each and an old woman in a lean-to was stirring a pungent vat of blackberry raki next to an open fire. It took ten minutes to get from Korça to Boboshtica, but it was like going back a hundred years.

At another village, Barç, a muslim one in the mountains on the other side of Korça, we were told that the only doctor had emigrated to Canada the previous month (who could blame her?). We spoke, in Greek, to two young men in jeans who had returned home for the summer from their jobs labouring on Athenian building sites. “It's like Pakistan here”, one of them said, sweeping a hand round the mud streets. Yet at six o’clock, the hour of the evening stroll throughout southern Europe, a couple of young women emerged from their shack in high heels and lipstick to pick their way among the cowpats.

All over Albania I met people with apparently irreconcilable feelings about their country: an attenuated awareness of national inferiority and an engorged sense of patriotic pride. They were embarrassed at being hoodwinked by the communists for so many years; but how were they to know?

We pressed on south through the Grammoz mountains, a remote, wolfy hinterland and established robbery zone. The dun shades of the flatlands rippled upwards, gradations of colour shifting through purples and opalescent ambers up to the last glassy mountain ridge. The air was heavy with wild thyme. We were stopped three times on the crumbling switchbacks by armed police, though they were less interested in protecting us than in rifling through Qazim's papers until they found something for which they could extort a fine. At Erseka there were two donkeys at the taxi rank.

Shortly we entered a huge and ancient pine forest, and in two hours passed only a group of men in equally ancient suit jackets gathered at a pyre to make charcoal. At an altitude of about 4000 feet we stopped for lunch at a village called Leskoviku. This place, sheltering under a bare, tawny shoulder of the Nemërçka range, was isolated even by the standards of the Albanian mountains. Horses and carts outnumbered cars in Leskoviku by some margin, and haystacks the shape of fat obelisks nestled up to the ubiquitous concrete. All Albanian haystacks wore tiny waterproof capes crowned with a tyre hat.

A large tractor-servicing factory just outside the village had been totally burnt out. The Albanian landscape was a living oxymoron: the advent of democracy triggered a construction spree and there were building sites everywhere, each unfinished structure displaying a ghoulish dummy to ward off the evil eye. Yet everywhere too were the decaying skeletons of communist collectivisation.

If Albania had a tourist industry, Gjirokastra would be one of its star turns. A splendid dark granite medieval and Ottoman fortress presides over everything else from a small hill, the slopes below crowded with nineteenth-century merchants¹ houses with heavy, pale grey slate roofs, the whole lot sitting like crumbs in a bowl of limestone mountains. It was a spectacular spot all right, but we did not feel safe in Gjirokastra and even the inscrutable Qazim militated for our early departure. The narrow streets up at the castle walls seemed particularly tense, as the Greek consulate was up there and an absurdly large visa-seeking crowd was eddying volubly round its walls.

It helps, if you visit Albania, if you are familiar with Asia. It will help you deal with the open sewers, the children picking through piles of stinking rubbish, the cash economy, the absence of any workable infrastructure and the paper-thin cattle and the trains, which are very much like Indian trains.

Turning towards the coast, we drove on to the palm trees of Saranda, where Corfu looms so near across the Strait you wonder why, in the dark days, they didn't all swim for it (it can¹t be more than a mile or two at the narrowest point), until you learn that armed security boats fished the swimmers out in order to despatch them - yes, to the camps.

Accommodation is reasonably easy to find in Albanian towns. We stayed in simple hotels, and sometimes in private rooms. You can expect to pay about twenty-five dollars a night for a double in a good place. In Saranda, which is as near as Albania gets to a resort, there were as many as half a dozen decent hotels, and they could all have been Greek: showy interior décor majoring on marble, paper tablecloths that waiters clip on outside tables, horrible music and flash cars lined up conspicuously outside. But the food was good.

South of Saranda the unpaved road ran parallel with the sea through miles of olive groves and petered out at Butrint, probably the best of Albania's many archaeological sites. According to Book III of Virgil's Aeneid it was founded by Trojan exiles in the twelfth century BC. The Romans were there, the settlement's strategic position on the east-west trade routes kept it going all through the Byzantine period, and by the fourteenth century it was part of the rich Venetian empire. When we got to it, Butrint was entirely empty. It was like being a Jane Austen heroine on the Grand Tour. My son, a keen hunter-gatherer, ate ants under the eucalyptus trees below the Bronze Age acropolis.

We proceeded north up what is fondly known as the Albanian Riviera, a perilous and magnificent coast road glued to steep mountains. Above miles of untrodden beaches (notwithstanding a few hundred bunkers, but to these I was now inured), the road eventually dipped down to Himara. There we holed up in a hotel on the sandy beach to rest after our mountainous excursions. The cafés on the front were permanently crowded with old men caressing worry beads, taking a turn at the open-air billiard table and pausing only to shout orders to wives labouring back from the fields. Two tavernas were so close to the sea that we were able to swim between ordering and eating.

Right at the top of Dhérmi, a seriously depopulated hill town to the north of Himara, we visited the tiny thirteenth-century church of Shen Maria, where the regular panoply of Byzantine saints and reptilian devils paraded across startlingly bright sixteenth-century frescoes. It was very quiet, and rods of buttery light beaming through the tiny, high windows cast chequered shadows on the flagged floor. It was a highlight of our trip.

You need a spirit of adventure in Albania. The proprietor of the small hotel at Dhérmi had promised fresh fish for supper. And indeed it was fresh. He dynamited it out of the water 30 feet out in the small cove right in front of the hotel.

North of Dhérmi the road leapt from zero to 3000 feet in minutes. The large flocks of glossy black goats on the mountainside were the only healthy-looking animals in Albania. A handful of holiday cabins tottered in a state of imminent dereliction, looted to death in1997 during the riots which followed the collapse of government-endorsed pyramid-selling schemes. Virtually nothing escaped this period of plunder - industrial sites, factories, schools, museums (people ran around brandishing hundred-year-old swords), state arsenals, hospitals and even gaols, from which all the prisoners escaped.

On the way back to Tirana, in the palmy main street of Vlora, a police van stopped in front of our car and half a dozen policemen piled out wearing black balaclava hoods with eyeslits. Bloodfeuds are so powerful in Albania that if a policeman shoots a criminal he is likely to be murdered in turn by the criminal's avenging family. So policemen sometimes patrol in disguise. As so often in this lawless, endlessly beguiling land, what should have struck terror in our hearts instead rang a note of bathos: as the sinister masks had no moutholes, the policemen were obliged to wear them half rolled up to allow the obligatory cigarette to dangle from their lips. Bloodfeuds are especially prolific in the highlands to the north of Tirana, the territory of the Gheg tribe, where clan loyalty is more powerful than toothless national law. And remember, this is 200 miles from Italy.

How long will it take before the package tourists debouch into Albania and turn it into another southern European resort destination? The government has begun work on Corridor 8, a planned highway from Durres down the Riviera. Whether Albanians will ever have enough money to complete the project is debatable. Inward investment remains poor, inhibited by frequently changing laws, along with several hundred other inhibiting factors, including endemic corruption and the instability of the Balkans in general. I think it will be a long, long time before Club Med ousts the donkeys grazing among the Albanian bunkers.


Informacionin e gjeni ne kete link:

http://www.travelintelligence.net/wsd/articles/art_542.html
 

komino

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Re: Turizmi

Fillimisht postuar nga agshi:
[qb] PERBAMJA E GRUPIT TE RROKUT:

:rockband:

SA BUKUR QE KENDOKE MOJ GENE. PO NE STUDENTAT E VENIT A MUNENA ME MARRE PJESE N´KTE BAND... AH, SE DESH HARROVA, MOS HARRO ME E MARRE GJENERATORIN TAND SE MASANEJ PRISHET TAN PLANI, PO UN QI NUK KAM A MUNEM ME MARRE QIRI. ENE QIRI DO MJAFTONTE ME BA DRITE KUR TI TE SHKRUJSH TE KOMPIUTRI JOTE. [/qb]
1- uli germat se nuk jemi ne bjeshke ketu e nuk ka nevoje te bertasesh

2- jo "moj" po "more" gene

3- shqiperia eshte vend i lire dhe mund te shkosh ku te duash edhe pa me pritur mua ose te tjere

4- nje qiri mund edhe ta marresh se mbase te duhet (po nuk tu desh te tregoj une se ku ta mbash pastaj)


i kerkoj falje te gjitheve per daljen nga tema
 

Noe

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Bera gabim me duket qe permenda zenkat pak me larte, pasi filluan perseri.
Ne, me duket do te merremi vesh vetem me tone te larta. Nejse.
Visi S.! -Nuk e di sa je lodhur per ta gjetur ate artikullin qe na e ke servirur, por si tia bejme ne qe mbase dime ndonje gjuhe tjeter te huaj te ndryshme nga ajo anglishte do t'na ndihmosh apo jo, ose te pakten te kishe marre mundimin per te nxjerre me pika se çka dashur te thote artikull shkruesi me ate shkrim, mos harro jemi ne pritje ose duhet me e çu te Rruga e Kavajes per perkthim.
 

Visi S

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Me vjen keq qe nuk munda ta perkthej por faktikisht nuk jam "lodhur per ta gjetur", pasi e pashe krejt rastesisht kur isha duke kerkuar disa iformacione mbi udhtimet ne shqiperi.
 

agshi

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Mo.. gene sa mir qe me tregove se Shqiprija qeka ven i lir, se un nuk e dijta. Rrofsh. Po ne pra kot qe ankohna pse nuk vijn turistat, se gjysma e problemit qeka e zgjidhun e turistat mund te vijna kur te done. Ti qi je jashta a mund me kallzu pse frigohen turistat, a nuk e din qi veni jon ashte i lire e kurkush nuk te ban gja? Ku ngec problemi qi ene neve na shqetson.

Mo.. gene,menova se je femer, se kshtu mu duk. Po ti pse utrembe nga qiri. una nuk ta permenda ate qirin qe te pelqen ty qi dike ene se ku mbahet, se un nuk te morra per 'ashtushit' ty. Po ani pse ma ke keqkuptu un po ta fali. Un qi ta du te miren, po ta jap nji kshill: Kur te vijsh me pushime ne shqipri, kur te nevojitet me ndez nji qiri mos e maj shum ne dore se ai langu i nxeht ta djeg doren e manej nuk do te shkrush ke kompjutri jote. :wave:
 

Noe

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Nje rol te konsiderueshem mund dhe duhet te luaje Ministria e Rinise, Kultures dhe Sporteve (kjo gjithmone e pare ne ate qe kam theksuar me larte i takon pjeses qe do luaje Shteti ne fushen e Turizmit) dhe konkretisht si?

Para fillimit te sezonit te plazhit duhet qe te behet ose hartohet nje plan konkret per organizimin e turneve te ndryshme si sportive ashtu dhe koncerte muzikore dhe te them te drejten une i shikoj shume te realizueshme (mungon vetem organizimi dhe deshira, mos ta harrojme kete, se me çfare qellimi behet nuk na intereson), dhe a dini se perse se ne keto ture a çfaredo qe ti quajme do te shfrytezohet dhe publiciteti ose reklama e shume e shume firmave qe jane gati te sponzorizojne.

Pa frike mund te vazhdoj ta shtjelloj kete teme pasi eshte shume interesante dhe te gjithe dalin te fituar e konkretisht:
1.Do dale ne pah nje pune e mire e Min. ne fjale.
2.Biznesi pasi firma te ndryshme do realizojne produktet dhe sherbimet e tyre (nuk perjashtoj dhe firmat farmaceutike, perveç atyre freskuese qe do realizojne me shume).
3.Sporti qe do zhvillohet do njohe ngritje dhe do krijohen tradita te reja qe per momentin mungojne ose jane te vaketa.
4.Mund te zbulohen perseri talente te reja ne art e veçanerisht ne muzike (duke ndihmuar talentet e reja, kush nuk do te provonte te kendonte per nje nate vere me hene ku para do te kete me qindra te rinj e te reja afer valeve ne breg te detit), mos harroni kengetaren B.Qerreti e cila kendon pa pagese ne qendra te banuara, mund te merret si shembull qe dhe ne sezone turistike keto forma kane sukses te garantuar.
5.Krahas ketyre qe permenda me larte mos te harrojme qe ne fund te fundit me i fituari do te jete Komuniteti.

Pra ka shume forma per te cilat mund dhe duhet te diskutojme dhe mos te shperndahemi.
 

Tetovari

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Pershendetje
Dje e vizitova një faqe zyrtare të një ministrie për punë të jashtme mos ta permendi të cilit Shtet por ata gjithashtu i keshillojn popullaten mos të udhëtojnë në Shqiperi për pushime jo vetëm në Shqiperi por në trojet Shqiptare (Shqiperi,Kosovë IRJM)
Unë personalisht nuk besoj dhe skam besuar asnjëherë se populli Shqiptarë anembanë është si ta quaj jo mikëprites apo të rezikshem për turistat nga jashtë!!

Kamë ne plan pas disa javësh te vijë në Shqipri per pushime por me u tregua drejt edhe unë po frigohem te vi me automjet(makinë)

Tung
 

komino

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Re: Turizmi

Fillimisht postuar nga agshi:
[qb] Mo.. gene sa mir qe me tregove se Shqiprija qeka ven i lir, se un nuk e dijta. Rrofsh. Po ne pra kot qe ankohna pse nuk vijn turistat, se gjysma e problemit qeka e zgjidhun e turistat mund te vijna kur te done. Ti qi je jashta a mund me kallzu pse frigohen turistat, a nuk e din qi veni jon ashte i lire e kurkush nuk te ban gja? Ku ngec problemi qi ene neve na shqetson.

Mo.. gene,menova se je femer, se kshtu mu duk. Po ti pse utrembe nga qiri. una nuk ta permenda ate qirin qe te pelqen ty qi dike ene se ku mbahet, se un nuk te morra per 'ashtushit' ty. Po ani pse ma ke keqkuptu un po ta fali. Un qi ta du te miren, po ta jap nji kshill: Kur te vijsh me pushime ne shqipri, kur te nevojitet me ndez nji qiri mos e maj shum ne dore se ai langu i nxeht ta djeg doren e manej nuk do te shkrush ke kompjutri jote. :wave: [/qb]
po pate mundesi,
a mund ta perkthesh shqip qe ta kuptojme te gjithe mendimin tend kaq te holle???????

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